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Ruminations on “Multiculturalism” in Germany

In today’s New York Times Magazine, Peter Schneider has an interesting report on the current state of relations between Germans of Turkish descent and Germans of non-Turkish descent. The issue, as usual, is how much the failures of integration between these two populations are due to the nature of German society, or due to the nature of the traditionally Turkish society in which many of the parents and grandparents of Germans of Turkish descent were raised.

The topic is especially interesting to me. I was raised in one of those German-Jewish households with copies of Goethe’s works on the shelves (my father left Berlin in August, 1939, at the age of 7, and came from a distinguished Berlin Jewish family). Since my mother was less nostalgic about her Heimatland (she was born and raised in a Siberian labor camp), the identity that took hold was largely the German-Jewish one. My first year in Germany was as an exchange student at the age of 15 (in 1985-6). I went thinking of myself as an American of German descent, and spent the year in an industrial city right outside of Dortmund, living with a host family and attending the local Gymnasium. I soon realized that I looked a bit different than many of the locals, and in fact the people who looked most like me were the Germans of Turkish descent. For one reason or another, I spent quite a bit of time around some members of that community, and Schneider’s article has vividly reminded me of many of my daily experiences.

Two of my acquaintances at the Gymnasium were a brother and sister pair who were Germans of Turkish descent. Since they both were at Gymnasium (rather than Hauptschule or Realschule), they were both very integrated into German society, and must have had rather liberal educated parents. But then the sister went on a date with a German of non-Turkish descent, who was an acquaintance of mine and a friend of the brother. The brother warned the man never to talk to his sister again, and then, when the warning was not heeded, beat him severely (he was quite a good kick-boxer). His sister was extremely upset, but there was nothing she could do. I remember trying to argue with my friend; I just could not grasp the situation. My friend was smart, educated, apparently quite integrated, and bound for the university. But there was no way that his family was going to allow his (equally educated) sister to date a German of non-Turkish descent.

On the other hand, my own expected happy homecoming into German society wasn’t necessarily working out as planned. One of the teachers at the Gymnasium told me that Heinrich Heine wasn’t really a "German" poet, but rather was a "European" poet. My absurdly well-meaning and wonderful hostfather regularly repeated that "Deutschland ist kein Einwanderungsland" (which is, as Schneider points out, a common theme among Germans of a certain generation). Whenever I told people I was of German descent, they would argue with me — then upon discovering that I was Jewish, would say "Oh, so you’re not German, you’re Jewish" (strangely, I never heard anyone say to someone, upon discovering that they were  Christian, "Oh, so you’re not German, you’re Christian"). Among my German friends, there was a pervasive sense of the strangeness of other cultures, which alternately manifested itself as either irrational disdain or irrational admiration. There was certainly a very vivid sense, among even the best intentioned of my German friends of non-Turkish descent, that (like me) the Germans of Turkish descent were not German (there was also a kind of befuddlement about what it meant to live in a genuinely multicultural society. I remember my hostfather saying that Germans and Jews will not be reconciled until he could shake his fist at a bad Jewish driver who had cut him off in traffic, and yell "You dirty Jew!").
 

I still identify as an American of German descent, and I have a number of strong emotional ties to my father’s homeland (and indeed, returned for a year of college). There are a great many things I admire about current German society, from their remarkable acceptance of the sins of their forebearers to their social welfare system. But in the end, I probably couldn’t live there. The fact that most Germans would view a blond person from Pennsylvania whose great-grandparents were German as more German than me would be a perpetual annoyance. The fact that most Germans still can’t really think of the German Jewish population of the past as genuinely German makes me pessimistic about their ability to eventually accept Germans of Turkish descent as genuinely German. And perhaps the inability to think of Germans of Turkish descent as genuinely German is part of what leads them to accept e.g. the abuses of women in that community of the sort that Schneider describes.

On the other hand, I wonder whether some of the same problems are present in the United States. For example, in certain ultra-orthodox Jewish communities (a group with which I have some personal acquaintance), women can be discouraged from pursuing advanced educations, and married off at relatively early ages. Certainly, there are large pockets of unassimilated groups in the United States, which clearly is an Einwanderungsland. So, while I’ve engaged in some no doubt irresponsible speculation about specifically German roots of the problems with immigration Schneider describes, I also wonder whether similar problems crop up in countries where those features are utterly lacking.

                                                                        -Jason

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16 responses to “Ruminations on “Multiculturalism” in Germany”

  1. I think what makes the situation with the Turkish community in Germany particularly problematic is that initially both sides (ethnic Germans and ethnic Turks) bought into the basic premise of the Gastarbeiter program: that Turkish workers would come to Germany, work there for a couple of years, and then go back to Turkey. For many years after the Gastarbeiter program was phased out in the 1970s, neither the Turkish workers nor their German hosts therefore made any attempt at integration. It is only in the last couple of years that people are finally beginning to admit to themselves that the vast majority of the Gastarbeiters and their descendants will never go back. Ignoring the problem for so long has just made matters worse.

    But the issue isn't just one of being a foreigner. There are also about a million people from the former Yugoslavia in Germany and hundreds of thousand Italians, Greeks, Spaniards, etc. Many of them initially entered the country under the same Gastarbeiter program, yet none of these groups seem to have the same integration problems that Turks do. (For example, I'm the third person in my family to be married to an Italian, but German-Turkish couples are very rare.) Clearly, some of this has to do with religious differences, but as a German of German descent I am happy to admit what Jason only politely hints at: that by and large Germans aren't particularly xenophile, and Turks just seem to be a little bit too foreign for their taste. (And I have *never* heard anybody call them "Germans of Turkish descent.")

    In this regard, I think the situation in the US really is quite different. I have lived here for ten years and I am always struck by how welcoming everybody is. Yes, I'm also white, blond, reasonably affluent, and not a Muslim, either, but there's still a huge difference between the way Americans treat the newly arrived and the way most Germans do.

  2. I sent this to Dr. Stanley as an email before he opened up comments to this post. He has asked me to post it here as a comment.

    Dear Dr. Stanley,
    Your ruminations on Germany struck a special chord. I lived in Germany for two years (1981 -83). I am neither Jewish nor German of Turkish descent. I came to Germany from India with two small children and my husband, who had been awarded the Humboldt Fellowship by a German university. Our daughter was four and our son, just one year old. My daughter made herself fluent in German within a very short time and upon entering elementary school, was much ahead of her German schoolmates in all areas of study. During parent conferences, I found the teachers praising her achievements very grudgingly .. "yes, she is bright, reads, adds, subtracts way beyond her age level. But she talks too much, interrupts etc." as if this child were an anomaly and the teacher did not know what to make of her. I found this rather churlish and mentioned this to an American friend, who in turn told me her story. Her son, Mark (a good student in the US) was in the same school as my daughter but in a higher grade and was facing problems due to his lack of fluency in German. When Mark's mother went to the teacher to find out how she could help, the teacher calmly said .."von Auslander (plural, with an umlaut), erwarten Wir nichts mehr…(we expect nothing more from foreigners)."

    I must add that my husband and I had (and still have) some wonderful German friends. But on the streets – with the butcher and the baker, I felt like a rank outsider. The biggest highlight of my German experience was being able to watch Bundesliga Fussball.

    I had once sent an email to Ethan Leib, a blogger at Prawfs Blawg and a friend, about an article he had posted about Libby Adler's experience in Germany. Ethan decided to post my email on Prawfs Blawg. If you have a moment, please look at it. Although the email relates to the Holocaust, it touches on some of the points you make. I heard the same thing about Heinrich Heine as you did.

    http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2005/04/ruchira_paul_on.html

    I am a regular reader of Leiter Reports. Enjoyed your and your brother's stint here for the past week.

    Best,
    Ruchira

  3. I spent one year in berlin and I found some claims made by the author of the NYT article surprising. Few Berliners ignore Neukoln and, a fortiori, Kreuzberg, where most Turcs live. Kreuzberg is in fact a typical place to go out, eat, drink, watch soccer games in bar, and so on. Nuances and accuracy do not seem to be the strenghts of the author of the article.

  4. Ulrich,

    Heh heh, yeah I've never heard the phrase "Germans of Turkish descent" either (and don't even know of an analogous politically correct phrase in German). But of course that is what they are.

  5. Jason,

    "Deutsche türkischer Abstammung" would do, but nobody uses that.

    Incidentally, it might be worth noting that in the 18th century a large number of Germans emigrated as Gastarbeiter to Russia, where they never really assimilated, either. The "Germans" that you read about in 19th century Russian novels are the decendants of these people. There was even an autonomous German republic (Wolgadeutsche Republik) in the Soviet Union that I think was only dissolved in 1941.

  6. I moved to Germany from Poland, but left after 2 years because my mother had the feeling that Germany was for the Germans. You did not have to look differently from people of German descent to be considered an 'auslander'. All my mother needed was an accent.

    The Turkish are considered the underclass in Germany because they come to take the low paying jobs and they look differently, but I am not sure that the U.S. is much different. Perhaps you can only notice that if you are Hispanic or Black.

  7. Robert,

    I sincerely doubt that one "can only notice" the pervasive racism in the United States if one is Hispanic or Black! Some glimpse at the relative incarceration ratios for non-violent drug crimes for blacks and whites would do the trick:

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/

    The issues, however, are very different. It is not a widely held belief of Americans that blacks Americans are not in fact American. Of course, it does not do that community much good to be regarded as uncontroversially American. But that's just a different issue.

  8. Horacio Arlo-Costa

    Browsing in the literature section of the Neue Gallery (an interesting museum for German and Austrian art in NY ) I bumped into a book called `Pushing Time Away'. It is the reconstruction of the works of David Oppenheim, a relatively unknown Viennese scholar who worked with Freud and Adler and who was murdered during the Holocaust. The book is written by Peter Singer, who happens to be the Peter Singer we known as an (Australian/American) philosopher, and who happens to be as well the grandson of Oppenheim. Singer seems to be driven by the interest in understanding the moral and intellectual retrogression that Stefan Zweig, whose life span coincided with David Oppenheim, characterized as follows:

    `Against my will I have witnessed the most terrible defeat of reason and the wildest triumph of brutality in the chronicle of the ages. Never — and I say this without pride, but rather with shame — has any generation experienced such a moral retrogression from such spiritual height as our generation has'

    Nevertheless the book has perhaps more of a testimonial value (among other things it attempts the improbable task of bringing back to life the silenced voice of Oppenheim). In any case, some of Singer’s observations about both contemporary and pre-war Germany have some coincidences with Jason’s remarks. Clark Glymour noticed that one can get a (hardbound) copy of Singer’s book at Amazon for fifty cents (the paperback is considerably more expensive!). I only read fragments of the book and I cannot say whether the market value of the book correlates in any way with its eventual virtues or defects, but I suspect that this is not the case.

    French society operates almost on a completely different basis than German society when it comes to immigration. A journalist (from the Guardian I think) recently compared French and German attitudes towards Muslim immigrants (especially those coming from North Africa) as `eventually you will become one of us (no matter what it takes and even if you do not like it)’; and `you will never be one of us (no matter how hard you try)’ respectively. Nevertheless, both France and Germany are facing serious (and perhaps not so different) problems with immigration. Perhaps because most of the concrete social and economic policies that France engineered so far in order to integrate recent waves of immigrants have failed.

    Both German and Italian national identities are perhaps particularly intricate (they achieved national unification late and painfully) and have always been complicated by regional and racial problems, some old, some new. I always remember a soccer game between the Milan and Napoli in Milano. At the entrance of the stadium there was a gigantic banner destined to the fans from Napoli with the following inscription: `Welcome to Italy’.

  9. I also read the article with interest. I'm not an expert on the cultural issues, but I do know something of the legal ones (though not with perfect detail- I'm happy to be given more information.) For many years it was essentially impossible for Turks, even those born in Germany, even those who were born in German to German parents, to become citizens of Germany, to vote in national elections, etc. They were _not German_ and could not become citizens. In contrast, someone born outside of germany, to parents who were born outside of Germany, but who had German grandparents, could become a German citizen with relative ease. The second part of this situation may or may not be justified, but the contrast is shocking and troubling, and obviously related to the problem, even if the details are complex. My understanding is that the situation is now somewhat better, but not great, that it's still much harder for non "ethnic" germans to become citizens, and that it may well be too late.

    On a different note, can anyone think of a time when a very highly developed sense of honor, one that is easily hurt and demands retribution, has ever been a good thing for people? I can think of a number of societies where some variation of this has existed, and it seems to be a massively bad thing for all of them.

  10. Following from the previous two comments, I too think there hhas been a change. When German citizenship was defined by ethnicity, it is really no wonder that Germans themselves conceived of Germanness in the same terms. But this has really gone through an almost 360 degree change. When I was last living in Germany, in Düsseldorf, I went to register and get my Ausweis, a tortuous process which took all morning, and for which one had to queue outside from before the building opened, mostly with non-white people. But while waiting, we were surrounded by posters telling us, in no uncertain terms, that we were German. This inclusive notion of what it is to be German, along the American model, is something new, and somewhat encouraging.

  11. I'm struck by this from Horacio:

    "Both German and Italian national identities are perhaps particularly intricate (they achieved national unification late and painfully) …."

    I wonder if Germany's later attainment of nationhood led to a more ethnically defined sense of nationality. For a good part of the modern era, before German unification, 'being German' wasn't a matter of belonging to any one state. It was instead a cultural and ethnic status. By contrast, being French was a matter of belonging to that particular state. Same with being British. Is this why France and the UK seem more readily to have accommodated ethnically diverse groups, and why the US and Canada have been even more successful at doing this?

    BTW, I read Singer's book re. his Austrian grandpa. I liked it. Lots of similarities to Alfred Schutz's experience during and after WWI.

  12. I would definitely like to read Singer's book. Our grandmother, Ilse Stanley, wrote an amazing book about her experiences in Germany, called *The Unforgotten*. She was an actress trained by Max Reinhardt, and she appeared in the movie Metropolis. From 1936-1939 she was part of an underground group that used documents supplied by a Nazi friend of hers to smuggle Jews from concentration camps to outside of the country; my grandmother would bring the passes into the camps herself, dressed as a Nazi social worker, and bring the prisoners to freedom. She and our father got out at the last possible moment (as I say above, August, 1939). The book was published both in England and in Germany in the 1950s, and recounts her experiences in Germany and as an immigrant in the United States. There is also a *This is Your Life* show about her, from 1955 (which we have on tape — since my grandmother died right after I was born, this is my only image I have of her). According to my father, Hollywood wanted to do a movie of the book, with Ingrid Bergmann playing my grandmother. But since they wanted her character in the movie to have a love affair with the high Nazi official who supplied her with the passes, she refused. My brother and I have wanted to get the book reissued for years (it came out at a time when the last thing people wanted to hear about was stories of immigrant Jews), but we don't know how to do it…

  13. Horacio Arlo-Costa

    This is an amazing story Jason! If reissuing the book is difficult perhaps you and your brother can do something along Singer lines. Of course historical work is time consuming and one needs to appeal to certain literary talents in case of writing a book like Singer’s –I have to say that he does manage pretty well in this non-academic style. But my impression is that Singer is after something rather important today (both politically and theoretically), namely trying to grasp the conditions of possibility of the massive social and moral retrogression of the type that swept Austria and Germany at the end of the 30’s. Of course, many tried before and to some extent failed. But there are also in the book many reflections about the role of reason in real political struggle. He puts it in this way in the introduction:

    `There lies part of the fascination that my grandfather’s life holds for me. He came of age at the end of a century of peace and progress. […] By the time he reached his sixtieth birthday, this world was in ruins. Europe was, for the second time in his life, in the mist of devastating war, and all the humane values and enlightened reasoning of his youth had been defeated by visceral emotion and brute force. The tragedy of this moral collapse is compelling in itself, but that is not the only reason I feel the need to confront it. When the Nazis come to Austria many Jews, my parents among them, immediately began seeking another country to which they could go. My grandparents did not. There is a terrible, tragic, irony in the fact that my grandfather spent his whole life trying to understand his fellow human beings, yet seems to have failed to take sufficiently seriously the threat that overwhelmed Vienna’s Jewish community and ultimately lead to the loss of his own life. Did my grandfather perhaps have too much confidence in human reason and the humanist values to which he dedicated his life? Did this render him unable to conceive that they could be so completely trodden underfoot as to allow barbarism once again to hold sway across Europe? These questions lead to a disquieting though. Since my own life, no less than my grandfather, is premised on the possibility of reason and universal ethical values playing a significant role in the world, could I be sharing my grandfather’s delusion? […]’

    Probably anyone with a philosophical inclination who has also had the dubious privilege of witnessing the unfolding of the conditions leading to a dictatorship or an absurd war (and who was forced to act in those conditions) can identify with Singer’s concerns.

    The title of the book comes from a fragment of a letter written by David Oppenheim to his wife: `What binds us, pushes time away’.

  14. I obviously need to read Singer's book. But I'm not sure that the story of the advent of National Socialism is best thought of as "enlightened reasoning" being defeated by "visceral emotion and brute force". The barbarism had a philosophy behind it (though I would adamently maintain not an enlightenment one), and plenty of philosophers signed on. Heidegger, of course, but also, as we know from his politisches Tagebuch, Gottlob Frege probably would have, if he had lived so long.

    Anyway, this is *certainly* a topic for another day.

  15. Hello there,

    As a Turkish reader of this blog, I feel that I must reply to this post. As Prof. Stanley said, perhaps the failure of the Germans of Turkish descent to integrate in the German society is largely due to the nature of the German society. On the other hand, some conservative Turks also reject to adopt a German identity, further aggravating the problem. (I have heard stories of Turks who spent 30+ years in Germany and who have never learned a word of German. Besides, the anecdote [the brother beating the sister's date] Prof. Stanley recounts is also a similar example.)

    For my part, I have an aunt who immigrated to Germany, married a German there and raised a son with him. Strangely enough, I don't consider my cousin as a Turk in any sense. He has clearly adopted a German identity. (For instance, he doesn't speak Turkish. The reason is that my aunt's husband decided that there was no point in wasting time with teaching the kid Turkish.) It is interesting that he never had any question about his identity. I think the main reason is that he spent almost all his life in Germany and came to Turkey only a few weeks during the summers.

    I think that ethnic and national identities are social constructs. Social constructs are helpful as long as they help us maintain a fully functioning, healthy societies. Once they become disruptive, they must be given up on. Ethnic and national identities can serve as a way to affirm ourselves (if I am allowed to use a Nietzschean term), to cherish who we are and embrace the society that we are a part of. However, they can also serve to cause conflicts and confusion and even lead to pathological forms of behavior (such as racism). As I see it, they tend to perform the latter functions more than the former ones. Hence, I think we would all benefit as a whole if we gave up on labels such as ethnicity and identity.

    These labels are not "real" in any way. I would challenge any one to come up with necessary and sufficient conditions for being a "German" or a "Turk" or an "American". It is rather like the circularity Saul Kripke wants to avoid in Naming and Necessity. (He argues that "Socrates" can not stand for the description "the man called Socrates".) To be German or a Japan or the member of any other race is just to want to identify as a German or Japan or etc.. Ataturk fortunately simplified the matters for being Turkish by saying (roughly) "whoever says 'I am a Turk' is a Turk."

    For that reason, I consider the whole identity politics as detrimental, inauthentic and, worst, harmful. To finish with a saying of one my friends, "identity is a luxury only those people with same-race parents can afford." And a useless one, I might add.

    Best…

  16. Just a brief note. I used to date a German woman and spent alot of time in Germany, then lived there for a couple of years as an exchange student. In general, I got the impression that Germans had a very strong but mostly irrational sense of national identity. My ex's father, by American standards esp., a very broad minded and tolerant man, nevertheless endorsed the idea that "foreigners'" (Turks') biting into Germany's generous welfare system was unfair since their forefathers had not paid into it. Never mind that without young Turkish workers paying into the system now, it would be far more difficult to maintain its generosity. In that town, as I recall, there were a lot of "Russians of German descent"-immigrants who had been readmitted after the fall of the Berlin wall. The Russians apparently had always referred to them as "Germans," but in Germany, they were referred to as "Russians," and just as foreign as the Turks. Strangest of all, I noticed that a lot of Germans rather casually regard their East German cousins as also "foreign"–not ethnically, but something like culturally and morally; and, accordingly, discriminated against to some extent. And because I'm an American of Asian decent, I was never regarded as an American but only as an "amerikanische Staatsangehoeriger" (something like, American state hanger-on, sort of) or as "halbamerikanisch" (i.e., half American). The younger generation of Germans, upon reflection, may even concede that Germany now is an Einwanderungsland (a view offially endorsed, I believe, only by the Greens)–but otherwise quite casually hold the sort of views mentioned above and by Marcus. As my ex once casually mentioned, it ultimately boils dows to "Blut und Erde"–so you have to be ethnically of a certain sort and originally from certain place. Historically, ethnographically, and logically incoherent, to be sure, but that just seems to be the rule of thumb.

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