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More on East Carolina Admin’s decision to not extend a visiting offer to McGinn

MOVING TO FRONT–I CALL READER ATTENTION, IN PARTICULAR, TO THE COMMENTS BY JOHN GARDNER, AND INVITE FURTHER DISCUSSION

The earlier thread generated some interesting, substantive discussion.  I'll highlight three comments that made what I thought were noteworthy points.

From Christian Munthe:

What Hilde points out is not that evidence has been discounted by anyone. What she is quoted to say is that while one administration may judge that a body of evidence does not warrant formal charges of harrassment against a person, another administration may be warranted as using the very same body as a reason not to hire this person. Her expressed disagreement is obviously meant to convey the message that, were she a decision-maker in the second type of administration-case, given the boddy of evidence at hand in the present case, she would evaluate the evidence in exactly this way, and that she also thinks that the academic professors handling this case should have assessed the matter likewise. Nothing strange here.

From commenter X (a student):

Isn’t this effectively saying McGinn should never be permitted to teach again. Given the school in question is not a graduate program, the position is pretty clearly a major step-down from his previous post, and the term of the contract is a single year, that’s what it looks like. Considering he wasn’t actually found to have committed sexual harassment (whether we disagree with the finding or not), this is a pretty draconian punishment for an allegation and very public breakdown. So on top of a major blow to his reputation, he appears to have been barred from his vocation of 30 + years without much due process. I don’t know all the circumstances of the case, but I’ve heard suggestions there is much worse conduct a foot in many departments. Conversely the punishment seems pretty maximal – short of criminal charges what more could be done? While I appreciate people what to take a stand against powerful men, this seems a bit draconian.

 And from a tenure-track philosopher:

In light of Lindemann's comments and the above discussion, I have one question and one longer comment:

1. The principle behind Lindemann's comments seems to be the following: University administrations have the ability and the duty to override faculty appointments, even when there is no legal impediment per se to the appointment. Doesn't this same line of reasoning apply to the Salaita case?

2. I am worried that the profession's admirable desire to remedy the problem of sexism and harassment has led to a naive reliance on administrative oversight and intervention that, in the end, will only further erode what autonomy faculty as a whole still possess. Lindemann's comments show that she cares more about keeping McGinn out of the academy than she does about the faculty's right to determine who will join its ranks. It is possible to express regret that the ECU faculty decided to make McGinn an offer of employment without defending–valorizing even–the procedurally dubious intervention of the administration to override such appointments. Lindemann does not do this.

Meanwhile, over at the Feminist Philosophers blog, philosopher Louise Antony (U Mass/Amherst) responds to the earlier discussion of Prof. Lindemann's comments from CHE pertaining to the East Carolina decision with the following:

In light of the discussion on Brian Leiter’s blog, I want to say something in support of Hilde Lindemann’s comments in the recent Chronicle of Higher Education article on the East Carolina U/Colin McGinn incident. Many commenters are incensed that Prof. Lindemann seemed to endorse the use of “unofficial information” (as Daily Nous put it) in decisions such as the ECU Phil. Department’s vote to offer a distinguished visiting position to Colin McGinn. I’m baffled by this. Is there anyone out there in Bloggo-land who wants to say that scholarly achievement is the only consideration that should count in deciding whether or not to offer someone a position? (Anyone who says that it is the only thing that counts is simply wrong.) Every department I’ve ever been affiliated with has always – and quite rightly — taken into account both the candidate’s likely collegiality and his or her potential as a teacher and mentor. So now the question is: what kind of evidence can one use in assessing a candidate’s collegiality and potential as a teacher and mentor? Postings on a public blog can provide evidence. Disciplinary actions taken by a candidate’s previous employer can also provide evidence. What about the appropriate standard? Bearing in mind that a hiring meeting is not a criminal trial, that there is no “presumption of innocence” to be overcome, and that an individual’s being brought up for consideration does not engender any presumptive right to the position, it’s clear that the appropriate standard is the one typically used in normal hiring deliberations: what, given the evidence, is it reasonable to believe about how this colleague will behave toward his or her colleagues and students? An official finding that a person has engaged in sexual harassment is certainly very strong evidence that that person is untrustworthy – but it’s not the only evidence that can support that conclusion.
I understand that there’s tremendous concern about false accusation and innuendo – at least when the case at hand involves men and sex. So yes, the evidence needs to be looked at carefully in any particular instance. But are hiring committees supposed to ignore the evidence that exists? Are they supposed to disregard the fact of disciplinary actions taken by a previous employer? Are they supposed to ignore what the candidate has to say about the matter on a public blog? A decision not to offer a position to someone because there’s good reason to think the person is a danger to students is not a violation of anyone’s rights. A decision to go ahead and appoint such a person despite the evidence is reprehensible.

(A sidenote: the FP bloggers are, as a matter of policy, actively discouraged from linking to this blog, even when discussing content here, apparently because verboten views are sometimes expressed here.  Although I sometimes disagree with content on the FP blog, I do make it a practice to link to FP when content there is being discussed.  It's perhaps worth emphasizing, as readers increasingly write to me, that the FP blog represents some feminist philosophers, but it does not represent feminist philosophers tout court.)

I tend to agree with Prof. Antony about the relevant evidentiary standards in the hiring process, but as some of the commenters on the initial thread noted, that isn't quite what happened here:  a hiring decision by a department (for a one-year position) was overturned by administrators, for reasons unknown.  I will add that I think there should always be serious concern about "false accusation and innuendo"–even in the hiring process–and not only (as Prof. Antony says sarcastically) when it "involves men and sex."

Prof. McGinn was highly critical of much of my commentary on and coverage of his case (for example).   But one can believe that he was correctly and effectively sanctioned by the University of Miami (note that the victim in that case does not agree) and still believe that that does not mean he should never be hired again to teach philosophy anywhere.   What do readers think?  Should loss of a job for sexual misconduct bar someone from any future academic appointment?

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34 responses to “More on East Carolina Admin’s decision to not extend a visiting offer to McGinn”

  1. My father was an engineer in the steel business and ran various machine shops. Dad would hire ex-cons who knew a trade–welding, machining– when no one else would take a chance on these men. Sometimes it didn't work out; they reoffended and wound up back in the system. But other times Dad's second chance was just what they needed to reintegrate and become productive, hard-working members of society. I've always admired Dad for that.

  2. "Should loss of a job for sexual misconduct bar someone from any future academic appointment?"
    Uh – YES. Is this a serious question?

  3. I think it depends on the nature of the sexual misconduct (how serious? involving violence? assault?) and the nature of the academic appointment (visiting appointment? tenured position?).

  4. Ultimately the decision should be made by the department and the administration. I suggest both should have a say because the nature of the instructor's past not only reflects the department, but the school as well. However, it should be noted that there are many qualified people who are either unemployed or adjuncts, who also do not have a history of sexual misconduct. Perhaps these people should be considered for a position first.

  5. I think it important to remember that sexual harassment in academia and in philosophy is a wildly under-punished crime. And it, I think it quite reasonable to believe, plays a role in explaining why women are so under-represented in our discipline. Pull up a chair next to a senior woman in philosophy and you will hear stories of women having come to her asking for advice about what to do about some faculty member coming on to her, or stories that came to her attention after the fact that are completely credible. And the vast bulk of these cases never come to light. In such a context I think that if someone actually manages, against all odds, to lose their job due to sexual misconduct, it would be surprising if this were their first offense. We need a culture change in philosophy concerning the sexual harassment of women. And it sends the wrong signal on that score to re-hire such a person. Of course I do not want there to be an APA mandated policy that forbids any dept from hiring such a person. But if my dept were considering such a person I would recommend that we consider someone who can safely mentor the entire graduate population. Let’s worry as much about losing the great women philosophers there could be in the next generation at least as much as we worry about those who have lost their jobs due to harassing.

  6. It's also worth keeping in mind that it is not that hard to end up effectively barred from future academic employment. I'm a junior philosopher who hasn't yet found a tenure-track job; a lack of strong professional contributions would effectively bar me from it, too. This, too, is draconian in a way–many talented philosophers have started slow!–but it's obviously fair.

    Thus, I don't see why sexual harassment (in conjunction with questionable mentoring and a nasty public response) is any less justifiable as grounds for this. Given the market, both will usually make it the case that someone else is clearly more qualified for any given job.

  7. "Uh – YES. Is this a serious question?"

    Of course it's a serious question. We need to begin by asking whether the refusal to hire is punitive, and if so whether the punishment is porportionate to the offence. Or whether the refusal to hire is preventative, in which case whether there are ways to prevent that do not destroy someone's life so completely. If the answer is 'both', we need to know in what proportions, so that we can work out whether the constraints on each goal are being sensibly applied. If the answer is 'neither – we're just trying to send out a signal' (see David Sobel below), then I invite you to consider whether it's morally acceptable to use a person, any person, to do that. Unpleasant narcissists are people too and it's not open season when one of them gets exposed for what he is. It still matters how we treat him. It shocks me that anyone would doubt whether 'How should we treat a wrongdoer in such a situation?' is a serious question.

  8. A correction: I am a Feminist Philosophers blogger and this is the first I've heard that we have a "policy" of not linking here. I've never even seen an informal recommendation to this effect. The idea that FP represents a kind of unified cabal in total agreement about what constitutes objectionable discussion or that it somehow undermines the blogging thunder of others by suppressing links is just bizarre to me.

    BL COMMENT: I reported only what another FP blogger told me, and it is certainly consistent with practice extending over many months now. I would be pleased to learn that this is incorrect.

  9. ""Should loss of a job for sexual misconduct bar someone from any future academic appointment?"
    Uh – YES. Is this a serious question?"

    So, I take M's view to be the hostile, minority view that there should be absolutely no leniency in cases of sexual misconduct. I don't think the view in itself is outrageous, but I don't find it completely OBVIOUS that an absolute ban on any further academic appointment follows from such misconduct. The place where things seem to be getting jumbled is somewhere between the questions of "should he be allowed to hold an academic position again?" and "would I want him working in my department/would I hire him?"

    The answers to the first question seem to mostly be "yes," but where it gets all muffled is in the answers to the second question, which mostly come back as "no." And, if every individual department were to turn him away, even if they thought that he should be allowed employment SOMEWHERE, it will result in a de facto ban. If at some point a particular faculty were to offer explicit support for hiring McGinn at their particular school (and this is what it will take for him to get back into academia), I am not sure on what grounds we are able to protest. All that most of us could say in return would be "we would not have made that hire," not, "you SHOULD NOT have made that hire."

    E.g., as Hilde did well to point out, she "respectfully disagreed" with anyone dissenting with her decision. She did not condemn those who would find him a desirable hire.

  10. This is a reply to Comment #1:

    Like Steven Hales, I too admire folks who take some risk upon themselves to offer second-chances to another. But an important distinction needs to be made: It is one thing to take some risk upon oneself to offer someone a second chance. It is another thing to force some third party or parties to take some risk upon themselves in order to offer someone a second chance.

    I take it that Prof. Hales’s father hiring an ex-con (someone convicted of theft or embezzlement, for e.g.) is a case of the first kind. A hiring committee offering a job to someone who has lost a job due to sexual misconduct is a case of the second kind. What is more, it is taking a risk on behalf of people to whom one bears some fiduciary responsibility – our undergraduates, graduates, and untenured colleagues. From an ethical perspective, this strikes me as a completely different case; while the former may be admirable in many cases, the latter seems to me impermissible in many cases. So I think the (implied analogy) does not hold.

  11. As an FP blogger I am also puzzled by the idea that the content of this blog has led to an FP policy of not citing you explicitly.

    One FP blogger has registered a reluctance to send even more people over to what is already the most popular philosophy blog. I'm now concerned about whether this has affected my own linking habits and vow to exercise some diligence on this matter.

  12. I must say, I have found it an important learning experience to be chair of the APA Ad Hoc Committee on Sexual Harassment in the Profession. It moves me to suggest that we be charitable about the view that actual sexual misconduct should bar one from future academic appointments; it is a reasonable prima facie position regarding teaching appointments, and doesn't entail the impossibility of leniency (for example, I could imagine an emeritus title which provided access to research databases).

    ML, it is not obvious that it is a hostile, minority view when one considers that Title IX states, "If a school knows or reasonably should know about discrimination, harassment or violence that is creating a hostile environment for any student, it must act to eliminate it, remedy the harm caused and prevent its recurrence." The more I read OCR revisions, dear colleague letters, and particular cases, the clearer it is to me that any institution receiving federal funds bears responsibility for what they knowingly do, and for failing to take reasonable steps to prevent sexual misconduct of those they hire. This doesn't mean a university couldn't take a risk, but I cannot think of a great reason to take that risk when thousands of PhDs would love a job and would be better risks of not traumatizing students.

    Last, and I won't go on about this, but to confirm: I'm also a blogger at Feminist Philosophers, and I've linked to this blog before. I've engaged colleagues with arguments regarding doing so, but no one has ever ordered me not to. Policies are necessarily few in a rotating collective, and not-linking is not one of the few.

  13. Also, I'd like to add to the discussion on the matter of the post. It isn't just that McGinn has been charged with sexual harassment. He left his job because of the situation. As far as I can see, it is quite hard to get universities to come close to firing famous senior philosophers, or indeed other tenured faculty, on sexual issues. At the same time, the impact of such harassment often is life altering. And not in a positive way.

    The question "is this a serious question?" may have been prompted by taking the original question as, "If someone in his position as thesis director played around with the mind of a student on issues sexual and otherwise, should he be barred from taking positions that will provide opportunities to do the same?" then the remark "is this a serious question?" seems much more in place.

    What I do wonder is why so many of us have such a hard time getting our heads around the idea that a thesis director played around with the mind of a student on issues sexual and otherwise, and generally risked seriously messing up her life. I wonder if the banality of evil is in play here. Or do we have a hard time realizing how badly transformative such experiences can be?

  14. "It isn't just that McGinn has been charged with sexual harassment."

    Has he really?
    Katie Roiphe writes:

    "In fact, the words 'sexual harassment' do not appear in the charges made by the university in an official letter to the faculty senate signed by the vice provost, which two people read to me. By the accounts of at least three people familiar with the investigation, the university chose not to pursue charges of sexual harassment after reviewing the evidence. The administration was calling for Colin’s resignation, but did not feel it should pursue the charge of sexual harassment. Instead the letter lays out both Nicole and Colin’s conflicting stories and contradictory claims and states: 'The university believes that Professor McGinn’s conduct is unprofessional due to the amorous relationship that developed between a senior faculty member and his student.'"

    Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/roiphe/2013/10/colin_mcginn_sexual_harassment_case_was_the_philosophy_prof_s_story_that.single.html

    Roiphe's text makes me doubt that we have an explicit case of sexual harassment here rather than merely an unfortunate case of morally problematic and "unprofessional" erotic entanglement.

  15. I suspect that yours are the very reasons that people won't hire former prisoners, namely the fear that they will steal from the company, or turn violent in the workplace, or otherwise negatively affect the innocent. I tend to think it is too easy to deal in righteousness and judgment and much harder to provide compassion and forgiveness.

  16. I am with Jeremy, a poster on the earlier thread, who suggested that although it was wrong of the ECU philosophers to nominate McGinn, the administrative veto set a bad precedent undermining academic autonomy. However, I would like to suggest that the nature of the bureaucratic culture at ECU may make a good deal of difference. The philosophers at ECU made a bad call by nominating somebody inappropriate to be their Whichard Distinguished Professor. The administration has the legal right to veto their decision. But is there a local convention that this right should not be exercised except in extremis or do they veto such recommendations on a regular basis? If the first is true then I agree that it sets a bad precedent, undermining a de facto convention of academic autonomy which is politically valuable despite the possibility of misuse. I certainly would not nominate McGinn for any similar position since whatever he once was, he is now a poor philosopher who in his own blogs and interviews has provided ample evidence for a prima facie charge of sexual harassment. But given the catastrophe that he has called down on his head I very much doubt if he poses any ongoing threat to the women students of the University of Eastern Carolina. Encounters that are effectively chaperone-free are not very likely and I suspect McGinn himself (arrogant and silly as he unquestionably is) has learned to keep his distance. Thus the philosophers at ECU would have brought the University and their Department into a mild degree of disrepute and misspent a bit of public money but that’s about it. It is not as if either the Department or the University had a massive reputation to lose, and in any case nobody is going to care in a couple of years’ time. So this is not the kind of emergency that requires the exercise of what is, by convention, an emergency power. To use a Westminster analogy, it would be like the Crown’s using its residual powers to sack a not-very-good Prime Minster as opposed to using its residual powers to forestall a fascist coup. Even if he is pretty wretched, the convention is that the Prime Minister should be left in office until the normal democratic processes remove him, not fired by the Queen or the Governor-General. (Sir John Kerr’s sacking of Gough Whitlam in Australia in 1974 was a violation of constitutional convention of precisely this kind, since even if you think that Whitlam was a bad Prime Minster, he was not bad enough to justify his dismissal, given that he had a majority in the Lower House.) The situation is different if nominations for the Whichard Professorship are regularly vetoed or questioned at Eastern Carolina. In that case we might have reservations about the non-autonomous status of academic departments at ECU, but the bureaucrats would simply be doing their job in correcting a faux pas on the part of their academic subordinates. The administration would not be violating a constitutional convention – rather the folly of the department would be retarding the growth of a constitutional convention that it would otherwise be desirable to develop. I admit this view is a little odd since what I am saying is that it is right for the administrators to correct a bad decision if they do it on a regular basis but wrong if they do not. But that’s way it is with constitutional conventions. It depends a lot on what the convention actually is.

  17. 1) The problem with several posts is that it is unclear that McGinn poses a materially elevated risk of creating a hostile environment to women. If this is the only incident he's had, there is no evidence he is a serial sexual predator. A single instance that was rightly or wrongly deemed not to be sexual harassment, is not evidence the incident will reoccur. Just because someone has killed someone, does not necessarily mean the person is more likely to steal and vice versa.

    2) Being convicted and punished are different. If behavior isn't being addressed making the punishment worse just creates unfairness.

    3) McGinn isn't replaceable by anyone. While you might not agree with him and he is more than a bit of a jerk, his work is influential in a way most philosophers is not. He also has decades of experience. But for the charge he was likely head and shoulders above what many departments could hire for the salary offered. Yes. That can be and was abused, but it is disingenuous to count it as protecting him and not in wanting to hire him.

  18. Thanks for your response, Prof. Hales. A couple of thoughts in reply:

    I think the reasons people won’t hire former prisoners are probably varied, and I agree that risk is often borne both by the person doing the hiring and innocent third parties. But there are still important distinctions in degree here, which in my view rightly affect our moral judgments. I alluded to this in my first comment, with my parenthetical remark regarding the nature of the conviction. It would be one thing to hire an embezzler, for example, in which most of the “risk” would be borne by the one doing the hiring. But suppose the former prisoner had been convicted of rape. Would it still be admirable, or even permissible, to hire him as, for e.g., a foreman for a crew consisting partly of women?

    My point here is two-fold: (1) our moral judgment differs in these two cases and it differs precisely because the risk in the second case is borne not only by the person doing the hiring but (much more seriously) by innocent third parties and (2) the case of hiring someone found guilty of sexual misconduct is more like the second than the first. (I do not, of course, suggest that sexual harassment and rape are the same thing.)

    Finally, I appreciate and agree with your call to have compassion on all people, and to offer forgiveness when appropriate. But I would add two important clarifications: (1) We need also to act with compassion towards both the prior victim(s) of the sexual misconduct and the individuals for whom we are responsible in the future. (2) Forgiveness, on my view, is not appropriately given unconditionally. (I realize this is controversial). A minimal condition on offering forgiveness is the acknowledgement of wrongdoing on the part of the wrong doer. In my experience, this clear acknowledgement of wrongdoing is often absent in cases of sexual misconduct.

  19. I feel about this similarly to how I feel about someone who plagiarizes or falsifies data. An academic must be an ethical scholar and an ethical mentor. If someone has shown themself to be unethical in either area, they are, for me, unhireable until they've shown that they both understand and regret their lapse and that they can be trusted to not repeat. Obviously, these steps would usually taken in private, but McGinn's blogging seems to indicate that he does not view his actions as being problematic. I would welcome someone who truly had a change of heart and understanding.

    (I say "similarly" because it's more important to get it right in cases of sexual misconduct: a department could put monitoring practices in place to prevent or catch plagiarism or data falsification.There's no way to prevent harassment by someone who is inclined to do it, and catching after the fact still means some student was harassed.)

  20. @John Gardner: Surely not hiring someone — as opposed to terminating someone's employment — cannot be considered "punitive." It's just a matter of deciding if a person is (most) suitable for the position. If hiring committees had to worry about "punishing" all those they didn't hire… well, you get the idea.

    Brian L is particularly concerned that the department in question recommended appointing McGinn but was then overruled by the administration. Yes, this is prima facie cause for concern. While I don't know if this applies to the case at all, it seems to me there could be legitimate grounds for an administrative veto. That is, McGinn is in a sense tarnished goods, yet he is certainly a well-published philosopher. Just suppose the department was thinking they could get a big name on the cheap. If that were the case, it wouldn't be obvious that administrators would be wrong to reject this thinking — unless there were good grounds to believe that the charges against McGinn were spurious.

  21. In matters that involve discipline-relative expertise things work best when departments are trustworthy and administrators trust the judgements regarding the relevant body of work. This can go sideways, but in a well functioning university it hopefully doesn't happen often. OTOH, with respect to issues of appropriate judgement about the kinds of relationships that are appropriate to have when one is a supervisor/teacher/mentor, I see much less reason for administrators to defer to departmental expertise.

    So it seems to me that the administrators are in roughly as good a position as the average member of a philosophy department to think that the publicly available information supports not hiring the guy no matter how good he might be at philosophy. That's not a judgement about punishment, it is a judgement about what kind of a university environment they want to encourage. It is legit to think that there are certain ways you just don't interact with students and not to hire people who have treated them in that way. I happen to agree also with the administrators in this case, but even if I didn't I don't see that this is an issue about which administrators should defer to people in the field. I think I am perfectly capable of judging certain sorts of treatment of grad students inappropriate, whether in history or in math or any other field I know little about. (This is one of the reasons universities often put outside members on supervisory committees.)

    I think the issue would be quite different if the administrators based their decision on issues of the nominee's competence as a philosopher, his or her political views, or anything about which you could think people in the profession had more knowledge than people not in the profession. But, come on, you don't need a degree in philosophy to recognize inappropriately sexualized gender-linked treatment of students when a person blogs about it.

  22. Consider that long-ish post on Feminist Philosophers about apologies and what they ought to mean:
    http://feministphilosophers.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/on-apology/

    So while I, too, cringe to read e.g. Kate Norlock's pompous condescension about what she can "imagine" some perpetrator deserves (thank you for being such a benevolent ruler over us, Kate Norlock) in large part that cringe is just because I realize how many awful mistakes I've made in my life, how many awful mistakes people close to me have made, and the degree of loneliness/sadness/regret those mistakes carry. I would do anything to change some of the actions I've taken in my life, or to help those close to me, who made mistakes, realize they are OK and loved.

    But at least for me (a qualification fair for an internet message board), I feel much differently when I realize McGinn did not show any of this, but rather went the other way and actively pretended he was never in the wrong, that we were all an unthinking herd out to get him, etc. So until McGinn makes a real apology and puts something at stake (like say, scholarship for feminist philosophy) then I agree with #2 this is not a serious issue.

  23. @Allin Cottrell: Denying someone a job is punitive if it's used as a punishment. Many people weighing in on this issue want it to be used as a punishment. But that wasn't my point. My point was that even if it's not punitive, the question of whether McGinn should be denied a job is a question of justice. And a question of justice is always a serious question. That remains true even where the question is whether 'a person is (most) suitable for the position'. If the wrong criteria of suitability are used, that is an injustice. It is also pretty shocking, by the way, to refer to another human being as 'tarnished goods', as if one could treat hiring or not hiring that person as akin to choosing a lampshade. A lampshade can't be unjustly treated.

    @Anne Jacobson: There are various ways to nuance M's post to make it less shocking. But your interpretation leaves it pretty shocking. To generalise: "If someone committed a serious wrong against another, should he be [permanently! and at whatever cost to him!] barred from interactions where he'll have the opportunity to commit a like wrong against another?" An obviously serious question whatever the wrong is and whatever you think the answer is, and still shocking that anyone would doubt it. I am glad to see that other posters above have been discussing the question seriously, e.g. as it relates to employee theft, rape, and other serious wrongs.

    @Steven Hales and others: Being merciful (forgiving, compassionate, etc.) is important. I'm glad that it's being emphasised. But before we get to any question of mercy there's a question of justice. For those who think that McGinn should be given a fresh chance on the mercy principle: Do I take it that you have already concluded that denying him all future work as a professor is just, such that mercy is now the appropriate topic? I don't disagree with this conclusion – I don't have enough information to know. But I want to be sure that I understand why the question is one of mercy already.

  24. In relation to the third comment ("from a tenure-track philosopher") posted in the original post, I think by no means do the same principles apply to the Salaita and McGinn cases. In the Salaita case the central administration overrode the department's hiring decision because of Salaita's public statements about a controversial topic; this is a clear violation of academic freedom. In McGinn's case the administration's decision was probably based on the evidence concerning his unprofessional conduct toward a student, which is not a violation of academic freedom. These cases could hardly be more different.

    There's also the fact that Salaita had received a contract, was effectively already a member of the U of I faculty, and had resigned his previous post to move to Illinois in reliance on the appointment; I don't know if these factors apply to McGinn to any extent (though obviously he had not resigned his previous job to take up this appointment, it's possible that he had declined another offer).

    As for the question of whether loss of a job for sexual misconduct should effectively bar someone from future employment, my opinion is that at a minimum that it would be wrong to hire someone who was known to be a completely unrepentant sexual harasser; someone who sexually harassed a student (or anyone else) and continued to defend his conduct publicly would be an increased risk for doing the same thing again. I understand that some of the participants in this discussion do not think it has been proved that McGinn engaged in sexual harassment, but if he did (and the evidence seems fairly overwhelming to me) he definitely is unrepentant. This doesn't necessarily mean that I think it would be a good idea to hire a past sexual harrasser if he had expressed some willingness to change his ways, but barring someone who had committed sexual harassment and didn't seem to think that the sexual harassment was wrong doesn't seem like an injustice to me.–I agree that it was admirable for Steven Hales's to hire ex-convicts when no one would give them a chance, but I'd guess he wouldn't have hired one who had said "I didn't do anything wrong when I robbed that store." Continuing to protest innocence on the facts is another matter.

  25. East Carolina, by denying employment, probably did more for the future of ethics in philosophy departments than the proposed APA code of conduct ever will.

    As someone employed outside academics, I seen many talented people not hired for suspected abuse of power and sexual harassment. Outside of academics, a period of self-employment after a layoff or termination is very common. Colin McGinn is 64 years old and has had an amazing career. If he has saved his money and prepared for retirement or self-employment, then his best research, writing and lectures are yet to come. In academics, there seems to be an unusually high value placed on prestigious job titles or being a part of a teaching community (even though one’s research peers are at other universities). I don’t see the tragedy in his never having a position among students again.

  26. I am baffled that PerplexedAnon writes, "So while I, too, cringe to read e.g. Kate Norlock's pompous condescension about what she can 'imagine' some perpetrator deserves (thank you for being such a benevolent ruler over us, Kate Norlock) in large part that cringe is just because I realize how many awful mistakes I've made in my life, how many awful mistakes people close to me have made, and the degree of loneliness/sadness/regret those mistakes carry."

    I am so surprised at this comment. I hope this reply is permitted to be posted. I did not imagine what any particular perpetrator deserves. Please see the original comment. I was attempting to (gently) disagree with ML, who drew a connection between "bar[ring] someone from any future academic appointment" and "the hostile, minority view that there should be absolutely no leniency in cases of sexual misconduct." I aimed to reject the implication, and to provide an example of a way in which a prima facie assumption — that one would not hire a scholar previously found actually guilty of sexual misconduct — was logically compatible with some forms of leniency, such as my example. Good heavens, nothing in that comment recommended what is deserved. I am not a ruler. (Did 'ruler' refer to my chairing a committee?)

    In my writings and presentations, I have routinely called attention to my regrets and errors, just as PerplexedAnon does. I too have made so many awful mistakes. I don't know what I said to suggest otherwise. I'm at a loss.

  27. Just curious what readers think, and if it's even relevant…….

    But what is McGinn's moral obligation to and regarding the profession at this point?

    Does morality require that he bar himself from future academic employment/teaching? Does morality require that he not seek such employment or accept it if offered?

    This is not meant to be rhetorical. I mean, what do we think morality requires of, for instance, sexual offenders themselves?

    Hypothetically (and not making this claim), if morality permitted McGinn to seek and accept employment, would this have a bearing on what departments would be permitted to do?

  28. Prof. Norlock,

    I'm sure you'll agree that harassment entails behavior ranging from leering to much more serious abuses of power. As the goal is, and should be, ensuring people are not subject to behavior that is wanted even if either inadvertent or thought desired, it would follow the threshold for what qualifies as harassment should be low. If a great range of behavior is caught, some lacking elements commonly associated with moral blame worthiness, like intention, how do you justify a barring someone from their chosen profession for an inadvertent error? While McGinn's case does not appear to involve a slip of the toungue, in many cases with less famous people it may be much more difficult to tell. Also why is it assumed McGinn or anyone else will reoffend? It seems equally likely someone that made a mistake may be more vigilant to avoid the mistake in the future. While not all these concerns may apply in the McGinn case, if someone who bears no material elevated risk of creating a hostile environment from teaching because they would create a hostile environment is unfair. I very much doubt every sexual harasser is a serial sexual harasser. Id note that sexual harassment is not about intention, so it must follow that unintentional conduct can be sexual harassment- even if unlikely to actually be caught.

  29. @PerplexedAnon – Why would a scholarship to feminist philosophy be an apology l? Wouldn't showing even a iota of awareness (which usually entails more than some effort) that he did something wrong and stupid be what you are getting at. I'd think the answer to A Philosopher that I'd give is seek help. People screwup, and McGinn obviously did. I'd also think he should avoid the topic. I don't know what McGinn could do to better anyone involved at this point and, while I won't speak for feminist philosophers, suspect they don't want anything to do with him.

  30. He should make a serious effort to understand why he did what he did. What the effect could have been on the student (not approach her or those around her to find out), and then determine whether he's likely to do it again – possibly seeking professional help in that regard (he may need it). He should then determine how to behave from there.

  31. Colin McGinn emails me to say that he finds my remarks ‘extremely poorly judged and quite disgraceful’ (and also that I am ‘not worth arguing with’). Presumably he does not object to my view that on the whole it is desirable that academic departments should have the autonomy to do stupid things (like appointing ‘distinguished’ professors who bring them into mild disrepute) without being subject to administrative veto. Nor I suspect does he object to my opinion that he does not constitute an ongoing threat to the women students at Eastern Carolina University. What gets his goat I presume is either my opinion that he is no longer much good as a philosopher or the view that his own blogs and interviews provide prima facie evidence for the charge of sexual harassment. (Which is why I think that appointing him would bring ECU into mild disrepute.) So perhaps it is worth going over this again, since something like my view is presupposed by several other posters on this thread. In his blogs and his interviews McGinn has publicly admitted, either explicitly or by implication, to the following allegations:

    1) to the handjob email in which one of the two entendres in his double entendre involved his thinking of Ms NN whilst masturbating, the other being, bizarrely, a manicure fantasy;
    2) to a taboo-busting Genius Project, involving sexual talk that he knew might make Ms NN uncomfortable (otherwise there would have been no need for what has been wittily described on Feminist Philosophers as a ‘safe word’), a project, moreover, that was justified by one of the most cockamamie rationales that I have ever read (that by becoming less inhibited about discussing sexual issues, Ms NN might become a better and more employable philosopher);
    3) to instituting a ritualized form of physical contact involving hand grips (in itself perhaps innocuous but sounding a bit more sinister in the light of his other admissions);
    and
    4) to ‘entertaining’ the possibility of sex three times in his office (though he claims that this was not made as a serious suggestion) an admission made on his own blog at 12/713-12:09 pm.

    These four admissions when taken together add up at the least to a plausible prima facie case for sexual harassment. McGinn argues, of course, that he was not charged, let alone convicted, of sexual harassment but only of failing to disclose a relationship. But the fact that he was not formally charged with sexual harassment but with the neighboring offense of failing to disclose a relationship does not show he was not guilty of sexual harassment, nor does it show that there is no EVIDENCE of sexual harassment, since whatever may have been available to the authorities at Miami, the evidence that he has subsequently supplied in his own blogs and press comments is at least enough to justify a suspicion of misconduct. This was the basis for my remarks and so far from being disgraceful they look rather commonsensical and restrained to me. Perhaps what McGinn most dislikes is my throw-away comment that he is arrogant and silly. But I can only say that his conduct in this affair betrays an excessive sentiment of self-regard and an astonishing inability to see himself as others are likely to see him. If only he had half-admitted his mistakes (‘I misread the signals, got in over my head yadda yadda yadda’) and had said something minimally like ‘sorry’, maybe if he had simply shut up, then he would probably be picking up visiting distinguished professorships all over the USA without any risk of administrative veto. The principal architect of the destruction of Colin McGinn is Colin McGinn himself.

  32. Charles Pigden, while agreeing with your most recent post, I question your suggestion that, if hired, McGinn would pose little threat to ECU's female students. Do we have evidence for this? Earlier you suggested that he will have learned to keep his distance but I fear that he shows little sign of having learned any lesson. Perhaps there is research about recidivism rates for sexual harassment.

  33. Matt Weiner wrote: "Perhaps there is research about recidivism rates for sexual harassment."

    There's certainly nothing wrong with discussing the hypothetical case of a Prof. X who is assumed to be guilty of sexual harassment for the sake of argument. But in the particular case of Prof. McGinn it mustn't simply be taken for granted that he is in fact a sexual harasser, because, as far as I know—correct me if I'm wrong!—, he has been suspected of but not been officially charged with, let alone been convicted of sexual harassment. For the sake of objectivity and McGinn's reputation, this important point mustn't be swept under the carpet!

    X wrote: "He should make a serious effort to understand why he did what he did."

    But what exactly did he do?
    All that is known for certain is that Prof. McGinn behaved imprudently and unprofessionally when he let his academic relationship with Mrs. X slide into an "amorous relationship" (this is the phrase used in the university’s formal letter of accusation, in which the phrase "sexual harassment" doesn't occur!). This is what he should understand and admit.

    As for the question of justice, his unprofessional engagement in an amorous relationship with an academic subordinate doesn't justify something as drastic as a Berufsverbot (to use a German term), a debarment from academic employment.

    There seems to be something we should understand, namely that the moral situation in this particular case is more complicated and less black&white than most people think. As Katie Roiphe writes:

    "What happened in the halls of the philosophy department at the University of Miami is much messier and more ambiguous and dingy and depressingly human than the glamorous black and white of the political language—*sexual harassment*. There is no arrogant, successful man sending dirty missives, no innocent, wronged victim to rally around; instead there is a whole complex swamp of motives and hopes and judgments and desires and ambitions, many conspicuously, spectacularly ill-advised, and there is a little bit of human warmth."

    Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/roiphe/2013/10/colin_mcginn_sexual_harassment_case_was_the_philosophy_prof_s_story_that.single.html

    BL COMMENT: I do not want to re-adjudicate the whole McGinn affair in this thread. Those interested may search the blog for entries on "McGinn," in which many of the claims above are addressed. Roiphe is not a reliable source given her history, the university would have various reasons not to charge a faculty member formally with "sexual harassment," and the university is now about to be sued by the victim in the McGinn case who alleges serious sexual harassment and alleges that the university tried to get rid of the case quickly rather than vindicate her rights. Again, earlier entries on the blog cover this territory. I will also reiterate that I agree with John Gardner: even if all the worst allegations are true, there are still serious questions of just punishment that have to be confronted.

  34. I'm torn. "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is a habit, not an act." is something I try to live by. It's a lot harder to uphold when looking at bad acts by others. But I think it ought to have some weight. So, to:

    "Should loss of a job for sexual misconduct bar someone from any future academic appointment?"

    I would say 'It depends'.

    Still, I can't help but feel a *little* bit silly sharing my intuitions and imagination on this, as a person who has never lost their job on these grounds, nor had a teacher harass me.

    (And yet I'm still writing that…) while I'd never want to compare sexual misconduct against colleagues vs against students, since students may well be more at risk than colleagues in such a situation, has anyone thought to ask any students how they'd feel about this? I don't think their voices should carry *no* weight, in the way I don't think your voice, qua patient, should carry *no* weight for hiring a doctor at your surgery who was once embroiled in such a disciplinary procedures elsewhere.

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