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Editorial practices at Philosophy & Public Affairs

MOVING TO FRONT FROM FEBRUARY 25–AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION IN THE COMMMENTS–SEE ESP. #25 FROM A COLLEAGUE OF MINE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO PRESS

Alan Patten, the editor of PPA and a professor of Politics at Princeton, kindly offered to answer some questions about editorial practices at PPA.  My questions to him are bolded, his answers are in regular font.

PPA is unusual in that the Editor and Associate Editors do almost all the reviewing of submitted work.  How and why does PPA use this model?  And is the reviewing blind nonetheless?

When Marshall Cohen, Tom Nagel and Tim Scanlon founded the journal in 1971 they did not, I think, see themselves as creating a professional journal to serve or represent an already well-established subfield of philosophy. Rather, the journal was started in order to encourage members of several disciplines to publish work that reflected rigorously and critically about urgent public problems of the day, and in order to create a venue in which the exciting new work of the time in moral, political and legal philosophy could be published. The P&PA editorial model has its origins in the ferment of this time, in which, for better or worse, some of the questions of professional ethics in journal editing that we debate today were overshadowed by the urgent public problems of the day, and by the sense that the journal should encourage both established and younger scholars to take the intellectual and professional risks involved in contributing to what was essentially a new literature.

Over time, as the journal settled into its niche in the profession, questions about fairness in the editorial process came to loom more largely. After he took over from Marshall Cohen in 1999, Charles Beitz made blind reviewing a required part of the editorial process. Other editorial practices were revised under Beitz’s tenure, and I have continued to review and adjust them since I took over as editor in 2010. The journal’s website contains a statement on our editorial practices.

As you note, a distinctive feature of the journal is that much (although not all) of the reviewing of submissions is done by our group of associate editors. Because most reviewing is handled by this small group of people, who are distinguished scholars in their respective fields, the journal is able to maintain high and fairly uniform standards. The journal’s editorial model also encourages articles that are well written and that are not narrowly specialized or highly technical in character. And the fact that the Associate Editors have agreed in advance to handle much of the reviewing for the journal helps to speed up the decision-making process.

Someone wrote me alleging that in volumes 37 through 41, there were 57 papers, with the following characteristics:  “Of those 57 papers, 17 had at least one author who received their doctorate from the same institution as the current Editor, Oxford. Another 13 were written by authors whose doctorates were from Harvard, where a number of editorial staff work or studied. The next most common place for authors to have received their doctorate is Princeton, where the journal is based. Of the ten papers in those five volumes published by authors who were last year employed by institutions in the western United States, four are by members of the editorial staff, three are by former visitors at Princeton, where the journal is based, and two are by people who were supervised by members of editorial staff. Only one of the ten has an author with no obvious links with editorial staff.”  What should readers make of patterns like this?  Are they worrisome?  Should they be?

I`ve looked carefully at the first cluster of allegations about Harvard/Oxford/Princeton authors. Since your correspondent connects them with the current editor`s doctoral institution (Oxford), it makes more sense to look at volumes 38-42 (the years I have been editor) rather than 37-41. (I`ll briefly comment on 37-41 afterwards).

Out of the 57 articles in volumes 38-42, 25 had at least one author with a highest degree from either Harvard (13) or Oxford (12). This contrasts with the figure of 30 out of 57 arrived at by your correspondent. It’s also worth noting that 25 of the 62 authors were from Harvard or Oxford, so by this metric Harvard/Oxford accounts for 40% of our authors rather than the 53% figure generated by the previously reported measure. Moreover, the third most common PhD institution of P&PA authors in this period was Berkeley (6), not Princeton (4) which was tied with NYU for fourth.

The proportion of Harvard/Oxford authors (25 out of 62 (or 57)) is substantial so it’s worth trying to look deeper into the data. Right from the start of this discussion, I’ve worried that that the multi-disciplinary character of P&PA was being overlooked. Throughout the journal’s history a significant fraction of the articles were authored by people whose highest degree was not in philosophy. Political theorists, lawyers, and (to a lesser extent) social scientists of various stripes have been frequent contributors to the journal.

This multidisciplinarity matters in several ways to this discussion. For one thing, it makes it harder to believe that all of the people coming from a particular institution belong to the same network. I think we all recognize how important disciplinary boundaries can be for shaping networks. The second point is mainly about political theory, though I suspect a version of it may apply to academic law as well. Philosophers should not underestimate the plurality of ways in which political theory is approached, especially in the United States. Many major political theory programs don’t have a substantial presence in the kind of normative analytic political theory that tends to be published in P&PA.

Of our 62 recorded authors, 22 have their highest degrees in a discipline other than philosophy. This proportion is strikingly different, however, for Harvard and Oxford authors. Only 6 of the 13 Harvard authors have philosophy PhDs and only 5 of the 12 from Oxford took their DPhils in philosophy. If one were just comparing P&PA authors with philosophy PhDs, there really isn’t much of a difference between Harvard and Oxford and other leading institutions of our authors. The differences that there are can, I think, be explained by variation in the size, quality, and (especially) the intellectual focus of the different programs.

The main factor explaining the Harvard/Oxford numbers are the political theory authors we published with PhDs from these institutions. Harvard and (especially) Oxford are among a fairly small group of strong graduate programs that have consistently over the years trained political theory students who do the sort of analytic and normative work that the journal tends to publish. Of course, Harvard and Oxford are not the only political theory programs meeting this description. Princeton is another such program. But I take it that the people who think there is some kind of bias problem at P&PA are not complaining on behalf of Princeton Politics graduates, since this is the institutional home of the current and previous editor. Indeed, the dearth of publications by Princeton Politics authors during this period is an embarrassment to the bias hypothesis. More generally, if one just thinks about the papers authored by political theorists, the outsized presence of Harvard/Oxford doesn’t strike me as especially surprising if one factors in size, quality, intellectual focus, pluralism in the subfield, and the noisiness entailed by looking at only five years of data.

If one were to look at volumes 37-41 (as your correspondent does), then the Oxford number does indeed go up to 17 (although, by my count, the denominator goes up to 59). But the same basic explanation of the numbers still apply.  4 out of 5 of the 2009 Oxford authors have their doctorates in politics, a result that is comprehensible if one considers the size, quality, and distinctive intellectual focus of Oxford`s political theory program in the preceding decades. Moreover, if one looks at an even longer stretch of time, Vols 36-42, something like the pattern discernible in 38-42 reappears. The proportion of Harvard/Oxford authors is 40% and the proportion of papers with at least one Harvard/Oxford author is 46%.

Years ago, Marshall Cohen told me that PPA did have a policy of publishing pieces submitted by those on the editorial board with rather de minimis review.  Is that still the policy?  If not, do you know when it changed?

Submissions by people on our masthead have been fairly unusual while I`ve been editor – around ten in total I would guess (a number of which we did not publish). (We did appoint some associate editors and members of the editorial board who were previous authors in the journal, but I doubt that anybody would object to that).

Submissions by members of the editorial board are subjected to the same procedures as everyone else and enjoy no more presumption of acceptance than anything else we receive. Submissions by associate editors are slightly more complicated since these individuals do the lion`s share of reviewing for the journal.

There is some discussion of how we handle submissions by our associate editors in the statement on editorial practices. In general, these submissions are handled in the same way as other submissions (e.g. they are fully anonymized) except that, as a rule, at least one of the reviews is done by somebody who isn`t a current associate editor.

These are the editorial practices I inherited from my predecessor in 2010. I`ve made some minor adjustments in the procedures and may tend to rely even more than Beitz on outside readers when handling associate editor submissions. These special safeguards are something our associate editors want. When they do manage to publish something in the journal they don`t want blog commentators questioning whether their achievement is tainted somehow by our reviewing practices. Since they work together closely as journal colleagues, they also don`t appreciate being put in the awkward position of having to evaluate one another`s work.

How do you see PPA’s role in the profession as compared to Ethics, the other major journal publishing in similar areas?

I`d like to think that P&PA hasn`t completely lost touch with the original vision of the founders of the journal. We still aspire to publish work that is of the highest philosophical quality but that also engages directly or indirectly with important questions of public concern.  We still anticipate publishing articles by authors from a range of different disciplines, and we still prefer articles written for a fairly broad audience rather than narrow and technical contributions to specific debates in some corner of the field. We don`t aspire to be the main journal representing a particular field or subfield, although we do recognize that publication in the journal has implications for professional opportunity and advancement and we are therefore committed to assessing all submissions in a way that is fair and unbiased.

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I'm opening comments for further discussion, but I will moderate with a somewhat heavier hand.  Since Prof. Patten has been kind enough to answer these questions, please engage the responses in a similar spirit and stick to substance.  Thanks.

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34 responses to “Editorial practices at Philosophy & Public Affairs”

  1. UK political philosopher

    Thanks for the helpful q&a. To put the remark about Oxford departments into context for readers unfamiliar with the university: a quirk of the Oxford system is that the majority of the political philosophers are in the Politics & IR department, which provides the political theory lectures for the undergraduate degrees involving philosophy. Consequently, if you wanted to do a political philosophy PhD at Oxford, you would most likely end up with a PhD from the Politics & IR department. So the Oxford departmental divides don't coincide with the disciplinary divides that one might usually expect.

  2. A remarkable trend for both PPA and Ethics is the decline in total numbers of articles published in each journal from the 1980s. PPA published 22 articles in 1985, at its peak, and 11 articles in 2014. Ethics published 173 articles in 1984, at its peak, and 103 articles in 2014.
    Is this deliberate? If so, what is the strategy or purpose?
    The trend is more extreme at the Journal of Philosophy, which at its peak in the late 1950s and early 1960s had as many as 168 article in 1958, but only 19 in 2014.
    Phil Review went from 146 in 1992 to just 32 in 2014.
    Mind and Analysis do not follow the same trend.

  3. Russell Blackford

    PPA is the only peer-reviewed journal that I have ever submitted to that has rejected my work with simply a form rejection letter. Admittedly, that was prior to 1999, so I don't know if it happens today. I think it's a very bad practice, even if an article was not considered promising enough to send on to peer review. IMO, editors should give at least some explanation. This experience left a bad taste in my mouth about PPA.

    To fair, the piece in question should not have been published – at the time, I had an inadequate grasp (for publication at that level) of the literature re distributive justice.

    On the other hand, I have a huge publication list by now of just about all kinds of academic and professional work: novels, short stories, academic books (written and edited), book chapters, articles in newspapers, magazines, and non-academic journals, book reviews in a wide variety of publications, case notes, peer commentaries… and, yes, quite a lot of peer-reviewed academic articles. It's unlikely that anything I sent to PPA would have been at anything less than a professional level of style and argument. I'm pretty sure that *something* could have been said beyond a standard "not suitable for publication in the journal" letter. It looked as if the submission was not considered seriously.

    So, does PPA still do this? Obviously magazines that actually pay authors get huge numbers of submissions, and they have to do this for work rejected at the stage of reading slush piles. But I've never seen it done by any other academic journal. Perhaps I'm wrong. I'd be interested in whether anyone else has had the experience with an academic journal.

  4. I once heard it said that P&PA uses Princeton grad students to do initial screenings. This was from someone in a position to know. Is it true? Has this ever been so?

  5. Apart from publishing the odd rather shoddy piece by a big name (hardly unusual in journals), it seems to me the PPA does a pretty good job in that the general quality is high and interesting. Indeed, the only article I submitted to it was rejected without any criticism of the argument it made but simply because judged not be interesting enough and too densely written (these were, I think, related) with the suggestion to go away and come back and try again when it was reworked as a piece of wider interest/value – and, on reflection, this seems a reasonable judgment (even if it took several months for me to recognise this). I also think it has improved in recent year on just this score of being more interusting again, although hat may be silly because political philosophy has got more re-engaged with interesting questions.

  6. ^ 'although that may be simply"

  7. No idea, but this is a not unusual practice at other journals – not to have the screeners say 'yea' or 'nay' but to write a short critical account of articles for discussion. Given numbers submitted, this is a way of sorting out into rough piles of probable desk reject/ probable send to referees.

  8. It is not intentional (at Ethics), but it's a good question why it's happened. My guess is that referees are tougher than they used to be.

  9. Re Aaron Lercher and Jamie Dreier:

    Surely the driving factor is that individual articles have gotten longer. I doubt that either Ethics or PAPA publishes fewer pages today than it did in the mid-80s; if it publishes fewer articles, it must be because the articles are more thorough/bloated. There's another issue for the profession: are we better or worse off with 30-, 40-, and 50-page articles? I'd say we're worse off, though I confess to having written some articles of that sort myself.

  10. Russell Blackford

    I think what is being described at 5. is good practice: some brief feedback on why the article was not sent out to peer review, together with some encouragement, but at least something more than the equivalent of a printed rejection slip. I'd like to think that, when we encourage young academics to submit to quality journals, one thing we can (continue to) say to them is that they'll at least get some informed feedback on their work from a source outside their normal bubble. A rejection slip or form letter doesn't do that, so I hope journals are not moving in that direction as someone suggested to me privately.

    I'm now interested in the claim about slush-pile readers being used. That may actually be a good idea, as journals must surely receive a lot of submissions that are nowhere near at a proper standard (or even pieces by outright crackpots… anyone who has been behind an editor's desk has seen those). Still, it could also have a downside.

  11. Re Jamie Dreier and Tom Hurka:

    When journals are online, length of articles should not make a difference. –Unless editors' policies set by arbitrary page lengths or are driven by the printing costs for the few remaining print copies. Yet another question is whether longer articles are better.

    Yes, Ethics referees are "tougher": they accept fewer papers.

    I am happy to believe that at Ethics, this toughness is unintentional and just part of the tacit culture of the discipline. Yet it is possible that referees are chosen for their toughness but that this selection is unintentional.

    This is remarkable and still not really explained, since not all leading journals have the same trend of decreasing numbers of published articles, and yet the trend is so marked at some journals.

  12. Re Russell Blackford (3):

    I’ve had papers of my own rejected from journals with nothing but a form letter, so I understand your frustration. Unfortunately with 300+ submissions a year, and a smallish group of associate editors who do most of the reviewing, it would be hard for P&PA to do things differently. I encourage the associate editors to try to write at least a few sentences explaining their decisions about the papers I pass along (they often write more), and in doing a first cut I try to do the same myself where time permits and I have something short and useful to say. It’s pretty time-consuming work, and we’re all full-time academics with courses to teach, research of our own to do, university administrative responsibilities, and so on.

  13. Re Anonymous Two (4):

    Over the years, the journal has employed a graduate assistant to help out the managing editor. The graduate assistant has never been involved with screening submissions.

  14. One striking thing about all the otherwise informative and useful responses to these claims that I have seen is that no-one has had anything to say about the claims made about papers with authors from the West Coast. Is it true that 9 of the 10 papers have authors with the links mentioned to editorial staff? If the implication is that unless an author is in the Northeastern United States and perhaps south eastern England, it is very unlikely that their papers will be published without having some connection to editorial staff, that would be very worrying.

    As far as what has been said goes, I'm not convinced that 40% of exceptionally high quality analytical normative work in political philosophy is being done by graduates of just two institutions; I think we ought to be really worried about the health of the discipline if that were the case, whereas it seems to me in reasonably robust health. Relatedly, the focus in responding to that statistic has been to allay concerns about the transparency of the process by which individual papers are selected. Presumably at least part of the worry though is that there are particular understandings of and programmes in the discipline associated with those institutions which are having their prestige created and maintained by the sustained focus on them by P&PA.

  15. Let me be the first to say that I believe that the editorial practices at PaPa are still corrupt. Such corruption, I believe, best explains the publication patterns mentioned in the interview. So I do not buy Patten's defense at all.

    That said, I am not sure how this can be shown without a detailed examination of the papers accepted and rejected by the journal.

  16. I also think PPA is corrupt. Seriously: an 84-page article by an associate editor? What other journal would have the gall to do that? Indeed, what journal would even publish something of that length? It's remarkable how these people are so self-assured and/or unselfconscious in their privilege that they think they can so blatantly tell the rest of us to just eat cake.

    BL COMMENT: I understand (and sympathize with) the indignation some feel about this, but please let's try to avoid rhetorical excess.

  17. Are associate editors permitted to review articles that they have seen in previous iterations at conferences or colloquia? This might partially explain the high percentage of in-network publications.
    I realize this problem is not unique for PPA, but it would likely be made worse by the decision to rely primarily on associate editors rather than outside review.

  18. Re UK political philosopher (1):

    Isn't your point damaging to Patten's case? Patten's point, I thought, is that the Oxford numbers are perfectly reasonable once we take into account that only 5 of the 12 papers were authored by philosophy DPhils (the rest, presumably, by theorists). But if the Politics department is just where one does political philosophy at Oxford, is the philosophy/politics distinction really as significant as Patten makes it out to be?

    Contrary to Patten, I find it hard to believe that political philosophers in the Oxford philosophy and politics departments *don't* share similar networks. Maybe someone on the inside could shed some light on this.

    Also, it would be useful to see a list of those Oxford authors who do not have philosophy degrees.

  19. I’m grateful that Alan Patten has taken these concerns seriously enough to reply. But like Anon 18 (I think), I am not persuaded by his answer to the second question.

    I too am puzzled by the division of Harvard and Oxford departments—especially Oxford—into distinct networks. (Don’t graduate students have committee members/take courses with people affiliated different departments? Don’t they know graduate students in other departments?) But suppose (very much only for the sake of argument) we grant that there are one or two worthwhile distinctions to draw between networks within these places. Is it really *that* much better that 40% (or 46%) of papers come from 3 or 4 “places” rather than 2?

    Unless people from the “non-chosen” places don’t even bother submitting to PPA, this journal likely sees a large chunk of the best work in moral and political philosophy. Wouldn’t it be awfully surprising if that much of the best work really were from people affiliated with 2/3/4 “places”? If 40-50% isn’t a worrisome concentration, what would be?

    Patten notes that more articles came from Berkeley people than Princeton people, for whom one might also expect some bias if the “bias hypothesis” were true. But unless I have the count wrong, didn’t half of those Berkeley articles come from an associate editor of PPA? And since that was one of the factors leading to the recent expression of concerns that PPA is practically a closed shop, it seems odd to me to point to it—i.e. other evidence suggestive of bias—to allay concerns about bias based on other considerations.

  20. Russell Blackford

    I thank Alan Patten for what I think was a fair and reasonable answer to my point. I certainly understand (in a general way) the pressures on journal editors, and it's useful to hear a bit about how it works at one of the major journals.

    (I'm a bit puzzled why someone would even publish an 84-page article, rather than trying to expand it into a small book, but that's a whole other can of worms. I guess the only reputable publisher I know of looking for manuscripts of that sort of length is Palgrave Pivot.)

  21. UK political philosopher

    I think the composition of the editorial team itself deserves mention. I gather Anna Stilz and David Estlund have recently agreed to be associate editors. In addition to the main editor and six associate editors listed on the journal's webpage, I estimate a total of nine on the editorial team. (I realise this number may be inaccurate, so would be pleased to be corrected.) Out of these nine, six editors are colleagues with at least one other editor — two at Berkeley, two at UCLA and two at Princeton. Even if these numbers are slightly out, this is still a surprising statistic, and a pattern that one doesn't find at other journals.

    In response to Anon (18). My impression is that the collaboration between different Oxford departments has varied over the timespan we're talking about, from some individuals getting their PhDs at Oxford in the last few years to those who got them several years ago. This variation largely depends on which individuals fill key roles (e.g. chairs) and how proactive they are at building up the relevant sorts of networks, putting on seminars etc.

  22. UK political philosopher

    Also, out of the nine editorial team members I just mentioned (comment 21), I notice that six have their PhDs from Oxford, Princeton or Harvard, and that a seventh's PhD was supervised by one of the other editorial team members.

  23. There are two top journals in political philosophy (Ethics, P&PA), and another very solid one (JPP). One is a closed shop, another takes 12-18 months for a positive verdict and has very opaque decision procedures, and the third one is ultra-quick but ruled with an iron fist by someone with a very strong agenda and a determination to promote the careers of a handful of people he anoints. Time for change, methinks.

  24. How much political philosophy does Ethics actually publish? 1-2 research articles/year? Hard to think of it as a top venue.

  25. Michael Magoulias

    Re: Aaron Lercher

    As a journal publisher, I wanted to take the opportunity to address a common misperception: that the transition to digital media has already replaced print publication and significantly reduced its attendant production costs. Very few journals in the humanities and social sciences have gone completely electronic, so publishers have had to work in both formats for a number of years now. Many people still like having print as an option alongside the digital access that is typically provided by the library subscriptions at their institutions.

    If all journals were to become electronic-only, there would certainly be some savings in terms of paper and postage costs, but these are not nearly as significant as many assume. The bigger set of expenses come from activities that need to continue regardless of the medium: editing, layout, composition, proofing, and others. People are required to do these tasks and the greater the number of pages, the greater the workload.

    Michael Magoulias
    Director, Journals
    University of Chicago Press

  26. So are you saying, Michael Magoulias,that there is much good philosophy being submitted to Ethics as there was years ago, but some of it is not being published due to cost? That would be a very bad state of affairs.

    With regard to the P&PA club, I would like to build on commenter 14. I expect that those in charge do not consciously aim to promote the work of those from their institutions. However it might be that they are not as open as they should be to other approaches to political philosophy. Rather they have an assurance that their way is the correct way, and that in turn leads to the publication of articles by those with a similar approach, who tend to be those trained and recruited by the same institutions.

  27. As managing editor of an online-only journal, I'd like to make one small correction to Michael Magoulias's comment above. The issues of composition and layout are almost entirely solved through the use of sufficiently sophisticated document creation tools (all our submissions are in LaTeX with a standardized class file) and journal management software (we use OJS from the Public Knowledge Project, running on servers at CMU). Of course, the results are often not as beautiful as those from a more elaborate operation, but I think an argument can be made that for academic publication that is not very important.

    David Ross
    Editor, Journal of Logic and Analysis

  28. I read Niko K's massive article. It's pretty good!

    The counterfactual a lot of people are imagining is this: Someone relatively unknown or junior writes the identical 84-page paper. We then ask:

    1. In this world, would that person have the self-assurance to submit it to PAPA? Probably not. Why not? I invite people to answer (assuming the truth of my counterfactual stipulations).

    2. In this world, suppose our unknown/junior person does have the self-regard to submit the mammoth essay to PAPA. Would PAPA agree to publish such a giant piece? Most non-PAPA suspect not. PAPA editors and their friends all say, "Of course! The essay would be judged entirely on its merits, and not on the grounds that it was written by one of the anointed."

    How do we resolve *this* question?

    My proposal – really a call to pens:

    Junior and unknowns! Write long, long essays – 30,000 words or so – and submit them to PAPA! Let's see how many get through.

    (Or maybe Kolodny's essay really is one of those once-in-a-decade essays that no one else but Kolodny could produce. We shall see…)

    —-

    One other thought: If a leading publication publishes only material produced by a small group of people, the journal can establish a certain content-style combination as what is taken to be the leading work With this in mind, I suspect that PAPA has created the conditions that justify its self-serving editorial decisions. It therefore becomes difficult to argue with PAPA about the merits of the papers it publishes so long as we accept PAPA's own publications as giving us the standard of merit.

    Whither an independent standard? Who knows?

  29. DanD,

    "So are you saying, Michael Magoulias,that there is much good philosophy being submitted to Ethics as there was years ago, but some of it is not being published due to cost? That would be a very bad state of affairs."

    I don’t think this is what Magoulias was saying; anyway, it’s certainly not true. The publisher gives the editors a certain number of pages per issue, and issues per year, and neither of those quantities has decreased.

    Anon at 12:58 on February 28th says that Ethics "takes 12-18 months for a positive verdict and has very opaque decision procedures," but I don't think either of those is true.

    90% of articles submitted to Ethics get a decision within 90 days. Only 2.2% of the submissions in 2013 (the latest year I have information for) took more than four months to receive a decision.
    Of course, final acceptances take longer than average. I'm having a little trouble reading the right information off the tables I have, but I believe only three papers took more than a year from submission to final vote in 2013, and the same in 2012 — there are a few more that took right around a year. With Revise and Resubmit verdicts plus the editorial vote, it does take a long time. Do other journals do better, and if so how much better?

    I don’t think the decision procedures are at all opaque, but that may be because I don’t quite know what you mean. The procedures are explained on the Information for Authors pages.
    I can’t remember whether the anchor tag works in these comments, so here's the link:

    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/journals/et/instruct.html?journal=et

    Henry Richardson explained in more detail in his editorial in October 2009 and in the Fall 2010 issue of the APA Newsletter on Feminism and Philosophy. He explained more at Daily Nous (http://dailynous.com/2015/01/20/closer-look-philosophy-journal-practices/). I’m sure all of this combined falls short of perfect transparency, but I don’t think it amounts to opacity.

  30. Michael Magoulias

    How on earth did you get that idea, DanD? I was making a very general point about how there is no such thing as cost-free publishing, regardless of medium.

    This was in response to a previous comment to the effect that in an online environment page lengths "should not make a difference." The point is that page length always has some bearing, both in terms of editorial time and production costs. It's an energetic and unwarranted leap from that to your surmise about journals in general (and Ethics, in particular, which wasn't even mentioned) managing costs by publishing fewer articles.

    In fact, publishers tend to do whatever they can to make sure that their editors are not turning away high-quality articles. They can increase the number of pages per issue, they can increase the number of issues per volume, they can publish special supplements, and they can launch sister journals if there is a critical mass of articles in a particular sub-discipline.

    Yes, all of these actions will have costs associated with them, but it then is just a question of building them into the journal's budget and working through acceptable means of covering them. These can range from increasing membership dues (in the case of journals owned by academic societies), increasing the subscription price, an increased subsidy from the body sponsoring the journal, or what is an effect a subsidy from the publisher who is willing to go into the red to accommodate the needs of a particular journal. Every publisher with a diversified list is familiar with these scenarios.

    I do not want to speak for the editorial team on Ethics, but I can assure you that we have regular discussions with all our journals about whether they have enough pages to publish the articles that they feel are worth publishing. There are cases where we will increase the pages, and there are cases where the editors find it difficult to publish the same number of pages that the journal might have published in past years, simply because they don't want to publish mediocre articles in order to hit a certain number.

    Let's assume that the number of articles published in 1985 by Journal X really is much lower than the number of articles it published in 2015. There can be a number of factors at play here, and each would need to be analyzed and interpreted. There may be a fact here, but where is the meaning?

    The number of pages per article is one obvious factor that could explain the difference. But then so could a decline in overall quality of papers submitted. I know that most disciplines have experienced huge growth in the number of submitted articles over the past 20 yrs. This can best be seen as a response to increased requirements for tenure and career advancement. The editors I have talked to and worked with all agree that there has not been a commensurate growth in the number of quality papers. Which is not to say that a good paper in 2015 is not as good as a good paper in 1985, but rather that a lot more papers need to be rejected at an earlier stage of the process. This also helps explain why a large number of papers need to go through lengthy processes of revision.

    The danger is to make big conclusions about quality based on limited information about quantity, which is how this particular strand of the thread started. Journals are organic creatures that change over time. Standards of quality change, as do topics of interest. The assumption that there is a static approach to peer review and a universal notion of what constitutes high-quality philosophy underlying Ethics as it was 30 years ago and Ethics as it is in 2015 is false. False for Ethics and false for every journal I can think of.

  31. Jamie Dreier –

    Thank you for your clarifications. They are helpful and very forthcoming.

    What do you think about these suggestions:

    1. Ethics should indicate on all its published pieces (articles, book reviews, etc.) the date the manuscript was received and the date it was accepted

    2. Ethics should *clearly* indicate when any of its published pieces are invited by the editors or a guest editor as opposed to having been submitted blindly.

    3. Ethics should *clearly* indicate whether a published piece has gone through an editorial process in any way distinct from the official process. E.g., if the piece was invited, or the piece was refereed by an associate editor only, or the piece was not submitted to the editorial board for review, etc., then that should be indicated. (p.s., I don't really care whether you think that any of those events has ever happened. I care about whether you and the editors of Ethics will go on record committing to making it clear to its readers when such editorial practices are employed. The mere commitment to do so is meaningful.)

  32. Anon Lecturer,

    Your #1 is a good idea.

    Your #2 and #3 are already in place.

    I think there is some kind of subtext in the parenthetical remark informing me what you do and do not really care about, but I can't figure out what it is.

  33. Jamie Dreier –

    No subtext – rather saying that there wasn't any need for you to go into data about invited vs. regularly submitted essays, and so on. You've been very forthcoming with that data and it must be a bit of a pain to assemble it. My recommendations were meant in the spirit of suggestions about how to go forward, not in the spirit of challenging the editors of Ethics to explain prior practices.

    Thanks for the info on the suggestions I put forward. Somehow I've missed the published indications of which pieces are invited vs. which are regularly refereed pieces. My error.

  34. As far as I know, the only invited pieces in Ethics are a few of the 'Retrospective' ones in some recent issues (as a kind of celebration of the 125th anniversary of the journal). Each issue has a guest editor for the Retrospectives, and the longer ones that start the Retrospective sections are commissioned.
    This is explained in Henry Richardson's editorial in the October 2014 issue, and also here:

    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/journals/et/call.html?journal=et

    Oh, and the book reviews are also invited.

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