Leiter Reports: A Philosophy Blog

News and views about philosophy, the academic profession, academic freedom, intellectual culture, and other topics. The world’s most popular philosophy blog, since 2003.

  1. Daniel Kaufman's avatar
  2. Daniel Kaufman's avatar
  3. Daniel Kaufman's avatar
  4. Samir Okasha's avatar

    Gabriele Taylor was my undergraduate philosophy tutor at St Anne’s College, Oxford from 1989-1992. I remember her as an incisive…

  5. Mark's avatar
  6. Santa Monica's avatar
  7. David Wallace's avatar

Observations on philosophy by a journalist at Scientific American

Reader Samuel Murray calls these interesting pieces to my attention, Part 1 and Part 2 (more coming), by regular SA writer John Horgan.  Some striking remarks from Part 1:

So what makes good philosophy good? What makes it valuable? We wrestled with these questions last year in my philosophy salon when we considered a fascinating paper by David Chalmers, “Why Isn’t There More Progress in Philosophy?”

Chalmers is almost comically passive-aggressive in the paper, veering between defiance and doubt. He opens by insisting that “obviously” philosophy achieves some progress, but the rest of his paper undercuts that modest assertion.

He concedes that whereas scientists do converge on certain answers, “there has not been large collective convergence to the truth on the big questions of philosophy.” A survey of philosophers carried out by Chalmers and a colleague revealed divisions on big questions: What is the relationship between mind and body? How do we know about the external world? Does God exist? Do we have free will?

Philosophers’ attempts to answer such questions, Chalmers remarks, “typically lead not to agreement but to sophisticated disagreement.” That is, progress consists less in defending truth claims than in casting doubt on them. Chalmers calls this “negative progress.”

Chalmers suggests that philosophers’ methods keep improving, and that these refinements constitute progress of a kind. But if improved methods of argumentation still aren’t yielding truth, do they really count as progress? That’s like equating scientific progress with advances in telescopes and microscopes, regardless of whether these instruments discover viruses or pulsars. If philosophers can’t reach agreement on anything, why keep arguing? 

And some notable observations from Part 2:

I’m often struck, watching philosophers interact, by their aggression. Scientists can be rough, but less so, on average, than philosophers. Why is that? Because philosophical clashes, unlike scientific ones, cannot be resolved by appeals to data; they are battles of wits.

In “Why Isn’t There More Progress in Philosophy?,” David Chalmers notes that science employs “the observational/experimental method,” which has “the power to compel agreement on the answers to big questions.” In contrast, philosophy relies on “the method of argument,” which does not compel agreement.

Chalmers acknowledges that millennia of philosophical debate have not yielded convergence on big questions. So why do philosophers keep bickering if they can’t arrive at a resolution?

Perhaps philosophy has devolved into mere competition, in which victors are rewarded with fame and glory–more specifically, grants, tenure, book contracts, invitations to Davos and appearances on Charlie Rose.

He concludes Part 2 by suggesting maybe the point of philosophy is like the point of a martial art.

I favor a more plausible hypothesis, due to Nietzsche perhaps unsurprisingly, namely, that philosophers are "advocates who resent that name," who defend their non-rational "hunches" and "inspirations" "with reasons they have sought after the fact" (sec. 5, Beyond Good and Evil).    Maybe not all philosophers all the time are like that–some are like Nietzsche's "scholars" (Gelehrten), whose real interests in life lie elsewhere (in family or money or politics), and for whom it is a matter of indifference whether they become a good professional philosopher "or a fungus expert or a chemist" (sec. 6).  But "every great philosophy" is "a type of involuntary and unself-conscious memoir" in which "the moral (or immoral) intentions…constitute the true living seed from which the whole plant has always grown" (sec 6).  Kant at least had the decency to admit that (to limit reason, to make room for faith!). 

Nietzsche to one side, I'm curious to hear what readers think of Mr. Horgan's observations.  What is the point of philosophy, insofar as philosophy doesn't seem to make much or any progress?

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

36 responses to “Observations on philosophy by a journalist at Scientific American”

  1. I'm no longer really in the profession, so take these remarks as those of an outsider with some background in the subject.

    I think philosophy *does* progress, just extremely slowly and with large pockets of "old views". Take any of the views mentioned as polled on this site about materialism, the mind-body problem, theism etc. I think the move away from idealism phenomenalism, etc. on the first, towards various non-dualist views on the second, towards atheism, igtheism, agnosticism, etc. on the third, etc. are progress from when practically everyone was a dualist/idealist/theist (or whatever nuance you want to put on it). Yes, not everyone is convinced (Chalmers himself, notably) but the numbers are moving in what I think is the right direction. (The direction with consilience with other fields, as it happens, I think.)

    I've run the above sketch of an argument with metaphysics: substitute epistemology and the greater role of social systems in knowledge, the waning of extreme foundationalism, etc. Similarly for ethics, at least practically. (I am not sure we have made much progress in ethical "theory", but …)

    There is a way also in which I believe Bertrand Russell's dictum about philosophy spinning off fields as they get a bit more autonomy is right, though in my view in many cases they are still linked: metaphysics of space and time shades immediately into questions in theoretical physics; concepts of "stuffs" and thinghood shade into chemistry (or rather should), etc.

  2. Either the love of wisdom is not identical to the love of truth, or philosophers are ridiculously ill-suited for the pursuit from which they take their name. I say it's the former, which I take to be a Nietzschean point (and perhaps even a Platonic–which is not to say Socratic–point as well).

  3. Peter Godfrey Smith (Phil Studies, 2012) argues that some large-scale philosophical systematic work, especially in metaphysics, is best treated as model-building, in a sense of that term that draws on the philosophy of science.

    http://petergodfreysmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Metap_Imagination_PGS.pdf

    L.A. Paul (Phil Studies, 2012) argues that metaphysical methods used to make claims about the world are similar to scientific methods used to make claims about the world (such as the use of inference to the best explanation), but that the subjects of metaphysics are not the subjects of science.

    http://www.lapaul.org/papers/paul-handmaiden-tale-2012.pdf

    Tim Williamson (forthcoming) argues that one form of progress is the development of better and better models—especially, but not exclusively, in those branches of philosophy, such as ethics, epistemology, and philosophy of language.

    http://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/38393/Blackford.pdf

  4. PS: Paul and Williamson take their point to extend past particular subfields and to philosophical work more generally. The model-building approach isn't restricted to particular subfields, and it isn't the only methodology in play.

  5. Interesting post Brian.

    Massimo Pigliucci actually had a many-part series on the same question of "progress in philosophy" that you can find at his blog, Footnotes to Plato. Here's one part of the series, with a link to table of contents included at the beginning:

    https://platofootnote.wordpress.com/2016/05/20/progress-in-philosophy-v/

    Pigliucci argues (very convincingly in my opinion) that philosophy does indeed make progress, even if it isn't necessarily the same type of progress that the sciences make. Here's an excerpt from another article on his site that succinctly describes things:

    "Contra popular perception, philosophy makes progress, though it does so in a different sense from progress in science. You can think of philosophy as an exploration of conceptual, as opposed to empirical, space, concerning all sorts of questions ranging from ethics to politics, from epistemology to the nature of science. Imagine a highly dimensional landscape of ways of thinking about a given question (such as: do scientific theories describe the world as it is, or should we think of them rather as simply being empirically adequate? [10]). The philosopher explores that landscape by constructing arguments, entertaining counter-arguments, and either discarding or refining a certain view. The process does not usually lead to one final answer (though it does eliminate a number of bad ones), because conceptual space is much broader than its empirical counterpart, which means that there may be more than one good way of looking at a particular question (but, again, also a number of bad ways). Progress, then, consists in identifying and “climbing” these peaks in c-space. If you’d like, I’ll send you the draft of a book I’m finishing for Chicago Press that expands on this way of looking at philosophy, provides a number of specific examples, and compares and differentiates progress in philosophy from progress in a number of allied disciplines, including science, mathematics and logic."

    One more thing I will say. I actually believe that uncovering the truth of how the world works and what sorts of conceptual ideas "latch on" most accurately to our surroundings has always (and should continue to be) a key part of philosophical inquiry. Sure, there might be a rejection of there even being a "truth" out there, but I feel like a substantial (majority?) of philosophers wouldn't subscribe to such a view.

    BL COMMENT: I did not find Massimo's take remotely plausible, but readers can check it out for themselves! Thanks.

  6. As a non-philosopher, I'll offer 2 points:
    1) The definition and content of philosophy changed markedly over the centuries. There is a historic trend for fields to cease being "philosophy" when they achieved some empirical success. As in much of the natural sciences and psychology. To some extent, contemporary philosophy is a residuum of difficult questions.
    2) Philosophers are sometimes very useful critics.

  7. When this question arises, I always think of what David Lewis said about his aims in doing philosophy:

    "The reader in search of knock‐down arguments in favor of my theories will go away disappointed. Whether or not it would be nice to knock disagreeing philosophers down by sheer force of argument, it cannot be done. Philosophical theories are never refuted conclusively. (Or hardly ever. Gödel and Gettier may have done it.) The theory survives its refutation—at a price. Argle has said what we accomplish in philosophical argument: we measure the price. Perhaps that is something we can settle more or less conclusively. But when all is said and done, and all the tricky arguments and distinctions and counterexamples have been discovered, presumably we will still face the question which prices are worth paying, which theories are on balance credible, which are the unacceptably counterintuitive consequences and which are the acceptably counterintuitive ones. On this question we may still differ. And if all is indeed said and done, there will be no hope of discovering still further arguments to settle our differences."

    This seems a sensible attitude to me.

  8. Christopher Pynes

    This struck me as funny: "Perhaps philosophy has devolved into mere competition, in which victors are rewarded with fame and glory–more specifically, grants, tenure, book contracts, invitations to Davos and appearances on Charlie Rose."

    Living philosophers are only famous to other philosophers for the most part. The specifics of "fame" and "glory" listed by Horgan are hilarious. I often complain that there should be more philosophers engaged in public discourse. I would love to see more philosophers on Charlie Rose. Rose interviews scientists all the time, but the only philosophers I can remember are Bernard-Henri Lévy (this week!) and Slavoj Žižek. There was a joint interview in 1999 with Henry Louis Gates Jr. and Kwame Anthony Appiah on an encyclopedia of black history, but I don't recall other philosophers on the show.

    But if a specific example of fame and glory are an interview by Rose, then Lévy and Žižek are getting all the fame and glory. I don't think the others on Horgan's list are real markers of fame and glory in philosophy. But we should be trying to get more philosophers on Rose for the good of not only the discipline, but the good of public discourse.

  9. Douglas W. Portmore

    I think that Horgan is looking at it all wrong. He would say, for instance, that the fact that there hasn't been convergence among philosophers on any one moral theory shows that there's been little to no progress made by moral philosophers like myself. But this is to assume that what moral philosophers like myself have been trying to do is to figure out what the correct moral theory is. But this is not how I see things. Which is the correct (or, at least, which is the most plausible) moral theory will depend on which moral theory coheres best with the rest of all human inquiry, which will include science, metaphysics, epistemology, philosophy of mind, etc. And I don't see myself as being (or even being capable of being) sufficiently knowledgeable about all of human inquiry to be in a position to figure out which moral theory coheres best with it. My goal, then, is much more modest: it is to do only some narrow reflective equilibrium — to say work out how best to formulate consequentialism and to better understand what its implications are, what makes it attractive, and what potential problems it may have. And it seems to me that there has been as much convergence among moral philosophers specializing in consequentialist ethics concerning what that theory's implications, problems, and attractions are as there has been, say, among evolutionary biologists specializing in human evolution concerning what the implications, problems, and attractions of the theory that our ancestor's propensity to use violence is what's largely responsible for our ancestors evolving very differently than the ancestors of modern day apes did. So it's a bit strange to assess progress in science by looking at one narrow area of human inquiry (science) and looking for convergence among the specialists within this narrow area and then assess progress in philosophy, not by looking at convergence among specialists working in a similarly narrow area of human inquiry (say, consequentialist ethics), but by seeing if philosophers cohere in their world views about everything from the nature of scientific laws to whether it's permissible to flip the switch in the Trolley Problem. Do any of us think that scientists have a greater degree of convergence on such a wide range of topics in human inquiry than we do? So why do we assume that philosophers haven't made progress just because they've failed to converge on comprehensive world view? If convergence on a comprehensive world view (that includes not just scientific views but views about ethics, the existence of God, the nature of our minds, etc.) is required for progress, then I doubt scientists have made any more progress on this than we (non-scientists) have. Indeed, it may be that scientists have reached less convergence on such a comprehensive world view than philosophers have. So it seems to me that it's entirely artificial to group moral philosophers with almost all other types of philosophers and expect them to converge on the same world view but not to group natural "philosophers" (i.e., scientists) with other types of "philosophers" and expect them to converge on the same world view.

  10. Progress can be defined either as:
    1. accumulation of new knowledge
    2. maintenance of old knowledge (e.g. through recollection)
    I can't understand why so many academic philosophers nowadays disrespect the second kind of progress. Human history is full of dark ages of forgetfulness, in which many of the insights of the great philosophers of antiquity were lost. So much of our work, as philosophers, is the work of maintaining knowledge – and some ages in human history were good at it, while others were not. It isn't easy to preserve and sustain insights, and we shouldn't think that our culture would sustain them on its own, without philosophers. Of course, philosophers often do not realize – or, for some perverse reason don't want to recognize – that what they think and say recollects things that were said before. It is a sad sign of our times that so many philosophers overrate originality, and fail to see the value of the knowledge gained from inner self-reflection: the kind of reflection that preserves and reveals what you already (dimly) knew.

  11. I like B. Russell's response to this criticism in his "The Value of Philosophy". In short, even if we will not reach agreement about, for example, whether we have free will, asking the question and examining the options can be valuable. (He also notes that, historically, when progress is made in philosophy that progress is not credited to philosophy because a new science branches off from it. But obviously this cannot be the entire story.)

  12. Undergrads often ask me if there's any point to philosophical argument, and in response I wrote this 1-page handout which (I think) raises some sensible points. It's pitched to them (not to professionals) but perhaps professionals can find it of some use. It can be found at tparent.net/pessimism_args.pdf

  13. I think there is a great deal of progress in philosophy–and it's not just the methods/models stuff: it's the addition of claims that we almost all agree with and non-specialists are usually unaware of. Here is the link to my forthcoming "Extensive Philosophical Agreement and Progress":

    http://bryanfrances.weebly.com/uploads/4/6/6/2/46624483/agreement_and_progress_metaphilosophy.pdf

    BL COMMENT: A lot of these just seem to be intra-paradigm agreement (in many cases, not even total agreement) among those who share a variety of starting points. That isn't surprising, but I'm not it counts as progress in comparison to progress in the sciences.

  14. anon grad student coward

    Horgan just seems to be caricaturing both philosophy and science: the former being overly subjective, petty, wishy-washy, and perhaps unjustifiable while Science, in all her glory, is the "right" way to pursue knowledge—the Platonic form of its pursuit. Strikes me as an undergraduate understanding of philosophy. A few thoughts on why i think this caricature can be ignored:

    1) Aren't these just different subject matters? Scientists probably disagree with each other about most of the philosophical issues they haven't thought deeply about. I'd never write an article on why science is bad because scientists havent figured out the wave function yet. Where does a scientist get off on writing about how bad philosophy is for not figuring out the whole "free will" thing?

    2) I would find it horribly narcissistic and unprofessional if a scientist truly stated that she would find value in a philosopher's discussion of e.g. the trolley problem, the Mars transporter thought experiment, or the Humean theory of reasons *only if* that philosopher gave her the right answer rather than a careful diagnosis of the space of options and the various costs and benefits of the competing views.

    3) If he sinply has a fetish for empiricism, he should know that empirical approaches to philosophy are alive and well, and might even be interesting. A substantive critique of the value of "armchair" philosophy might better be made by a philosopher contemplating the importance of, e.g. cross-cultural differences in intuitions about Gettier cases, rather than by a scientist who really doesnt seem to understand what's at stake when people think deeply about concepts.

    4) there's plenty of uncertainty in science, and Horgan's caricature is quite silly. Philosophers of science probably know this better than amyone.

    5) Philosophers obviously think about the topic of its value too, and probably better than a snarky scientist does. The value of certain branches of philosophy, certain practices, temdencies, and debates within philosophy are regularly reviewed and tested by other philosophers regarding whether they are really interesting and contribute to the accumulation or maintenance of knowledge and wisdom or if they are instead simply articles of mental masturbation and self-congratulatory wheel-spinning. And given how vehemently and strongly philosophers disagree with one another, as Horgan notes, are they not best suited for this kind of idea policing and housekeeping?

  15. I'm surprised by #14. I don't think he's caricaturing anything. I expected philosophers to be a bit defensive about these essays, but not blind to the points he's making!

  16. anon grad student coward

    Maybe "caricature" is no good. I just take issue with progress being discussed (exclusively?) in terms of convergence, and that philosophy's convergence deficit is detrimental to its value. Progress doesn't have to take the shape of convergence. Furthermore, there are other metrics for value than progress, however understood. Tried to say that but failed.

    The snark came from the suggestion that a journalist is better at spotting nonsense in philosophy than philosophers. Guess i got baited. Joke's on me!

  17. Well, unlike Pythagoras and Hipassus, Russell did not have Godel murdered for his discovery of results that frustrated his philosophy. So, that's something.

  18. The same thing holds in the sciences. Not to say that philosophical progress is the same as scientific progress (I argue against the sameness in that article).

  19. ". . . philosophical clashes . . . are battles of wits."

    As a frequent attendee, participant, and sometime chair at APAs, I must agree that rhetorical debating skills and sheer quickness of mind too often seem to be valued over focused and deliberative argument in face-to-face presentations. But this characterization shouldn't carry over to more long-term assessments of progress in philosophy, which is a different matter entirely from frequent brain-cage-matches that capture our more immediate attention from year to year.

    Look at the so-called free will problem. 40 years ago the metaphysical perspective held the day in terms of compatibilism versus incompatibilism, with (for example) the elder Strawson's reflections on the purely responsibility side just getting traction in the conversation. Today, while the metaphysical stuff is still relevant, more values-oriented questions about responsibility–and powerful skeptical challenges leveraged against responsibility from worries about the role of luck in our lives, which arise at the same conceptual level of the matter of values, as well as X-PHI considerations of the same stripe–have elevated to prominence in action theory, which as a descriptive term largely has displaced thinking about "free will". Just in my small space (in every personal sense) of professional lifetime in this small area, I'd argue that there has been convergence to see that questions of value have trumped (sorry–I hate to even use the word) purely metaphysical questions because the largest scale of argument over the years, not just in person and face-to-face, but in supervised and extended venues of discourse in both print and talk, have converged to see that questions of value should hold center stage. Well, so I say, as a minnow in a big-by-my-standards philosophical pond.

  20. Here's a rough sketch of view that I've developed over the last few years:

    Philosophy has progressed if its centuries of reflection and argument have produced an increasing body of knowledge. Of course, there’s a lot that philosophers don’t know, including answers to the deep questions that have perennially defined the philosophical enterprise. We don’t know whether God exists, whether consciousness survives death, whether moral freedom is compatible with causal determination, whether utilitarianism is a better account of ethics than deontologism.

    Nonetheless, in the course of their unsuccessful grappling with these “ultimate questions”, philosophers have, nonetheless, developed a significant body of knowledge that provides a distinct epistemic advantage to anyone who wants to think about these questions. The most important body of philosophical knowledge consists of the numerous distinctions that have arisen and been extensively refined and developed in the course of trying to answer the ultimate questions. Although there is room for quarrels about specific cases, most philosophers do agree that we rightly make distinctions between, for example, causality/compulsion, knowledge/true opinion, functional/phenomenal concepts, necessary/gratuitous evils, appearance/reality, actions/events, necessary/a priori truth, logical/epistemic possibility, meaning/reference, etc., etc. There may, of course, be disagreements regarding the details of just how to explicate the distinctions. But philosophical discussions have made substantial progress in understanding them. Even when traditional distinctions such as analytic/synthetic and fact/value have been called into question, there remain a range of examples where they remain valid. We can, as philosophers, confidently assure non-philosophers that all these distinctions express important truths and can explain in considerable detail what we have learned about them.

    Why are philosophical distinctions important, given then they haven't yielded compelling answers to the basic questions that drive the philosophical enterprise? Because people in general—including most philosophers—have convictions regarding ultimate questions about God, morality, freedom, knowledge, etc., even though these convictions are highly disputed and admit of no decisive justification. Moreover, many of us are at some points interested in better understanding the meaning and the consequences of these convictions—and in defending them against objections. As we philosophers know from encounters with students and even with experts who lack an adequate philosophical background, discussions of convictions quickly bog down unless they take account of relevant philosophical distinctions. People who want to think about what they believe need the distinctions that philosophers have developed and refined. Such distinctions constitute the knowledge that philosophy has achieved over the centuries, and this continuing achievement constitutes philosophical progress.

  21. I would suggest that there is indeed progress in philosophy in that true and defensible answers to philosophical questions have sometimes been arrived at. But though such true and defensible answers often exist there is not much convergence on them
    a) because the correct answers are often objectionable posing a threat to human self-importance, to ideological interests and to the self-images of many philosophers
    and
    b) because if the Big Questions were recognized at solved this would put a good many philosophers out of a job at least so far as their research activities were concerned.

    Consider the response of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy philosophers, Majikthise and Vroomfondel, to the threat posed by the computer Deep Thought, which has been designed to answer the Question of Life, the Universe and Everything:

    "We are quite definitely here as representatives of the Amalgamated Union of Philosophers, Sages, Luminaries and Other Thinking Persons, and we want this machine off, and we want it off now!"
    "What's the problem?" said Lunkwill.
    "I'll tell you what the problem is mate," said Majikthise, "demarcation, that's the problem ….You just let the machines get on with the adding up and we'll take care of the eternal verities thank you very much. You want to check your legal position you do mate. Under law the Quest for Ultimate Truth is quite clearly the inalienable prerogative of your working thinkers. Any bloody machine goes and actually finds it and we're straight out of a job aren't we? I mean what's the use of our sitting up half the night arguing that there may or may not be a God if this machine only goes and gives us his bleeding phone number the next morning?"
    KEYWORDS:
    Primary Blog

  22. In my opinion the correct answer in meta-ethics is the error theory, Suppose a) that I am right about this (for some readers a big ask!) and b) that philosophers general were to converge on this result. To begin with it would be rather depressing since many people get into ethics (as I did myself) with a view to *proving* ethical conclusions of one kind or another. Clearly this project would be a generally regarded as a no-no if the error theory were widely accepted. Nobody henceforth could cast themselves in a psychological drama as the vindicators of the moral truth. And we could not consider human beings as unique among animals in having intellectual access to a set of rationally justified requirements. Realist and expressivist meta-ethicists would be out of a job as researchers, and would be reduced to gloomily teaching the histories of their past mistakes. Normative ethics need not die but it would be radically transformed from an enquiry into a kind of creative endeavor in which the object of the exercise would be to develop reasonably coherent ethical systems that sane and humane people could live with. Critical Theory (as originally conceived) would be dead since (if I understand it correctly) a critical theory of society is supposed to be a theory that is both empirically grounded and rational to believe but with ethical, and specifically emancipatory, consequences. Of course it would still be possible to develop critical theories in a slightly different sense, that is, empirical theories of society which had emancipatory consequences when *combined* with any ethical theory that a moderately humane person would be inclined to ‘adopt’ and act upon.. (Indeed, in my opinion, *Marx’s* Marxism was intended to be a critical theory in something like this second sense.) But a good many fat books by famous critical theorists would have to be discarded as deeply mistaken. Supposing then that the error theory is indeed both correct and defensible, is it any wonder that philosophers in general don’t converge on it? And I you find my supposition deeply objectionable you can make much the same sociological points by varying the example. People tend not to a give up on their intellectual projects and that the beliefs which bolster their livelihoods and their self-esteem unless they absolutely have to. And in philosophy such sacrifices are generally unnecessary. In science, in the end, if you get it wrong, nature tends to shout ‘No’ , though nature’s negations are often rather muffled and indirect. But in philosophy it is often possible to hang on to your pet ideas come what may without looking too obviously irrational. So although I don’t despair of progress if this means solving philosophical problems (and indeed having cogent arguments for the correct solutions) I don’t think it is very likely if ‘progress’ entails convergence. Convergence only becomes likely when a philosophical question becomes empirically tractable, but as others have noted, following Bertrand Russell, when a question becomes empirically tractable, it tends to spin off out of philosophy.

  23. Jacob Archambault

    I think Socrates had something to say about this a while back:

    Soc. And what sort of difference creates enmity and anger? Suppose for example that you and I, my good friend, differ about a number; do differences of this sort make us enemies and set us at variance with one another? Do we not go at once to arithmetic, and put an end to them by a sum?

    Euth. True.

    Soc. Or suppose that we differ about magnitudes, do we not quickly end the differences by measuring?

    Euth. Very true.

    Soc. And we end a controversy about heavy and light by resorting to a weighing machine?

    Euth. To be sure.

    Soc. But what differences are there which cannot be thus decided, and which therefore make us angry and set us at enmity with one another? I dare say the answer does not occur to you at the moment, and therefore I will suggest that these enmities arise when the matters of difference are the just and unjust, good and evil, honourable and dishonourable. Are not these the points about which men differ, and about which when we are unable satisfactorily to decide our differences, you and I and all of us quarrel, when we do quarrel?

    Euth. Yes, Socrates, the nature of the differences about which we quarrel is such as you describe.

  24. If Horgan's criterion of progress is "yielding truth," then I simply don't see how one can say that science makes better progress than philosophy – not, at least, without begging important philosophical questions about the nature of truth and justification (etc.). Given that logically-decisive empirical confirmations and disconfirmations are, as a rule, not to be had in the sciences, it's really not clear what leads to the sort of convergence of opinion that characterizes the sciences over-against philosophy. It is not clear whether these convergences have a rational, let lone a scientific basis, or whether they emerge from extra-scientific or even non-rational factors present in the relevant psycho-social milieux.

    So far as I can see, Horgan's claim is defensible only on some sort of broadly pragmatist understanding of truth (and an attendant instrumentalist view of science). If enabling us to achieve our practical ends (e.g., via the accurate prediction and control of nature)is the test of truth, then yes science far outstrips philosophy in "yielding truth." But this is a contentious *philosophical* position on the nature of truth. If we hold a more ordinary view of truth as, e.g., representing (some part of) reality as it actually is, it remains an open question whether science has made any progress at all in terms of "yielding truth," let alone more progress than philosophy.

    The fact that we see considerably more convergence of opinion in the sciences than in philosophy may just be a function of scientists being more credulous – when operating within the epistemic confines of the sciences, at least – than philosophers. Harry Prosch suggests(in _The Genesis of Twentieth Century Philosophy_)that the division between philosophers and scientists was originally grounded in a difference of temperament and/or opinion concerning how seriously to take reasons for doubt/uncertainty, especially concerning empirical evidence. He points out that, of the many great early-modern thinkers who operated both as philosophers and scientists, those who are remembered as philosophers rather than scientists (like Descartes)tended to take skepticism more seriously, and those who are remembered as scientists rather than philosophers (like Newton)tended to be more credulous, at least concerning empirical evidence. It seems to me that he was on to something with this insight, and that the pattern persists today, with philosophers generally being more impressed by the existence of alternative, empirically and/or rationally equivalent interpretations of data (both in and outside of the sciences) than scientists are. Philosophers are more likely to be aware of alternative interpretations, more likely to take them seriously, less likely to be satisfied with purported empirical (or rational)disconfirmations of alternatives, and so on. Yes, we tend to argue more aggressively, but we're also usually more aware of the tenuous nature of our evidence and the correspondingly tentative and provisional nature of the views we argue for. Yes, scientists will acknowledge these things when they have to, but when it comes to the day-to-day practice of science (research, publishing, teaching) they can get away with taking a lot more as "settled" than a philosopher can – but not because it actually has been "settled" in any epistemically respectable way. One rather provocative way to put the point is to say that, contrary to popular belief, the standards of evidence are simply higher among philosophers than among scientists, and this makes it harder to achieve consensus in philosophy.

  25. With Charles Pigden, I want to starkly distinguish between progress and convergence. I think my own views have progressed dramatically over the years, and I currently think my views in metaethics are the best views out there. Even if they aren't the very best, they and some other views are huge improvements over most previous and current views. I am prepared to defend such claims. What else can I do? Well, I can also explain, drawing on the best science, why most people would not agree, even if the arguments are sound or the conclusions are roughly right. I think I can do both of these things to a high degree–and higher all the time! So to say there hasn't been progress is question begging in the most straightforward way. To say there hasn't been convergence…well, yeah, but Charles did a very nice job explaining why philosophers just don't have to give up their pet ideas the way scientists eventually tend to have to.

  26. Oh and by the way, my comment is meant to be consistent with Brian's Nietzschean assessment, at least in the normative and evaluative realms.

  27. Russell Blackford

    Shameless but relevant self-promotion follows.

    Damien Broderick and I currently checking the page proofs for Philosophy's Future: The Problem of Philosophical Progress (forthcoming soon from Wiley-Blackwell), which will contain the final version of Williamson's chapter mentioned above, as well as chapters by Massimo Pigliucci, who was also mentioned above, and numerous others (Frank Jackson, Noretta Koertge, James Ladyman, Jessica Wilson, Christopher Norris, etc., etc.). The topic provoked quite a variety of interpretations and viewpoints.

    In his chapter, Stefan Lorenz Sorgner argues for a view that may (or may not) be similar to Brian's: he sees philosophy as an "intellectual war of ideas" fought with a wide range of rhetorical, etc., manoeuvres.

    I have some sympathy for what Charles Pigden says above, and in fact my own introductory chapter briefly makes a similar point. A form of moral error theory is probably correct. But it's unpalatable for many people, including many philosophers. It's not surprising that much ingenuity is spent trying to find ways of avoiding that conclusion.

  28. "If Horgan's criterion of progress is "yielding truth," then I simply don't see how one can say that science makes better progress than [revelation-based religion] – not, at least, without begging important philosophical questions about the nature of truth and justification (etc.). Given that logically-decisive empirical confirmations and disconfirmations are, as a rule, not to be had in the sciences, it's really not clear what leads to the sort of convergence of opinion that characterizes the sciences over-against [religion]."

    Hello Aaron, I wonder – would you stand by this altered statement as well? If not, why not? Thanks.

  29. Many thanks for all the interesting responses–even the ones I am quite unsympathetic to were illuminating (for me, at least). I should perhaps state my own view more plainly. I really enjoy philosophy (needless to say), but it doesn't make much progress (except in a tinkering way). Philosophy's great virtues are twofold:

    (1) it teaches "intellectual hygiene"–clarity about what one is saying, what the entailments of what one is saying are–which is in short supply in many places where it might be relevant. Philosophers systematically overestimate the importance of intellectual hygiene (modest rational and conceptual muddles work pretty well most of the time), and pursue it to irrelevant degrees across almost all domains of human inquiry. As a lawyer, advocate, and polemicist, I particularly value the intellectual hygiene part of philosophy.

    (2) all more-or-less comprehensive philosophical views bottom out in normative commitments, which are not rationally evaluable. But given certain normative commitments, there is great satisfaction, of various kinds, in being able to articulate the structure that follows. As a philosopher, I particularly value that.

  30. I scrolled down to add the two word comment 'intellectual hygiene', only to find that you had just done so. That intellectual hygiene is important to me at a personal level – if you are going to defend political or ethical values, I think you have to be confident you understand properly the way the foundations those values rest on work.

    Incidentally (passing remark) this is why I found the poll a while ago that declared – I seem to remember – Saul Kripke the living philosopher most deserving of the equivalent of a Nobel prize a very depressing comment on the state of the discipline (writing as a logician by training), because Kripke contributes nothing useful that I can identify to that philosophical tradition of intellectual hygiene.

    BL COMMENT: I would think Kripke's work is a model of intellectual hygiene, even if it does not address matters of political moment.

  31. I think a large part of the problem is not that our arguments do not progress our disputes, but rather that philosophers are professionals at moving goal-posts. In the (successful) sciences everyone tries to get moderately clear on their definitions and what it would take for us to discover them. In philosophy we virtually never get clear on the relevant notions. As soon as an argument is advanced successfully against one formulation of the chosen 'ism' one simply switches to a different formulation. This is by far the most obnoxious thing about academic philosophy, and some disputes have become nearly incomprehensible because of it. Consider the Platonism-Nominalism dispute. What made Platonism interesting was all the supernatural things it implied about realms beyond space and time and how our minds connected to these immaterial objects. All of this has been abandoned by contemporary Platonism, which basically just amounts to the claim that there are numbers, sets, etc. Of course there are numbers! There are a great many of them, in fact. As any kindergartner can tell you, you're not going to find them in anyone's head or stub your toes on them. But if all we can say about them is just that they are numbers then who bloody cares? The current dispute between Platonists and Nominalists basically just boils down to subtle formal considerations in semantics. The Platonist has the far simpler semantic theory and is thus the clear winner–though at the cost of giving up what made her position interesting in the first place. Someone in the dispute has to be confused. Too much time is spent on sophisticated formal considerations and not enough is spent examining the motivations for the positions themselves.

    Or consider the dispute between empiricism and rationalism. Rationalism in the modern period was interesting because it said all sorts of radical things about how our minds had supernatural capacities imbued by God. Again, this has been pretty much completely abandoned. Some might still intend it, but they are far too crafty to make this commitment explicit. Now rationalism just amounts to the claim that we know some things without explicitly inferring them from empirical premises. Rationalism is then obviously true, given our incapacity to cite specific experiences as justification for beliefs like '2+2=4'. But this would only be troubling to a naturalist if this implied something about the metaphysics of our minds; i.e., that we have some sort of sui generis cognitive capacity that is responsible for these judgments that is not explicable in terms of cognitive science. But it implies no such thing. The fact that one does not have access to the underlying cognitive mechanisms that generate one's intuition does not make those mechanisms mysterious or special.

    Too much time is spent on sophisticated formal considerations and not enough is spent examining the motivations for the positions themselves.

  32. Hello Michael,

    I’d need clarification on how we are to understand revelation-based religion (RBR) before I could determine whether I’d stand by your altered statement.

    In the contemporary West, RBR isn’t normally thought of as a field of enquiry whose aim is to bring ever-more truth to light. For instance, the purported truths of RBRs are often portrayed as simply delivered to humans by God, perfectly expressed and in some important sense “complete” (e.g., sufficient for God’s salvific purposes). On this view, since RBR is already in possession of religious-truth than which no greater can be achieved, progress in “yielding truth” is not possible in RBR. If this is how we are to understand RBR, comparing it with fields aimed at the progressive discovery of truth (like philosophy and the sciences) seems to involve a category-error, and clearly I wouldn’t want to stand by it then.

    Of course there are alternative views of RBRs that would allow for progress in yielding truth. But what view do you have in mind?

    I can add that there are some parts of the altered statement that I’d stand by regardless of how you answer. Take the second sentence in isolation, for instance. Given that logically-decisive empirical confirmations and disconfirmations are, as a rule, not to be had in the sciences, it's really not clear what leads to the sort of convergence of opinion that characterizes the sciences… period. Hence, it's really not clear what leads to the sort of convergence of opinion that characterizes the sciences over-against [anything that might be thus characterized but isn’t]. Hence, it's really not clear what leads to the sort of convergence of opinion that characterizes the sciences over-against [religion]. That seems right to me.

    I think I’d also stand by a variation on the first sentence that reads like this: "If Horgan's criterion of progress is "yielding truth," then I simply don't see how one can say that science makes better progress than [any other field in which it’s reasonable to expect progress toward truth] – not, at least, without begging important philosophical questions about the nature of truth and justification (etc.).” The reason I’d stand by this has more to do with science than with any features of any other fields that might be put forward in comparison, be it religion or whatever. As Horgan says, quoting Chalmers, “science employs “the observational/ experimental method,” which has “the power to compel agreement on the answers to big questions.” But “given that logically-decisive empirical confirmations and disconfirmations are, as a rule, not to be had in the sciences,” it’s not clear that this power has anything to do with truth in any ordinary sense of the term. Thus it's not clear that science makes progress toward truth better than any other field.

  33. Hi Aaron,

    That's interesting. Thanks for taking the time. I was thinking something as simple as: following a revelation, a prior belief is either confirmed, disproved or refined. So we (as a species) now know more than we did before the revelation. Be it about moral truths or physical truths or truths about how best to proceed practically, the revelation has yielded something to amend on our ledger of truth.

    On a different topic, I enjoyed and agree very much with the posts in 29 (Brian) and 31 (YAAGS).

  34. Hi again Michael,

    Thanks for that clarification. With it, I’m willing to stand by your altered statement… although I’d want to offer a couple clarifications and qualifications of my own:

    First, it seems to me that if we’re going to construe revelation-based religion (RBR) as comparable to philosophy and the sciences in respect of making (or at least being aimed at making) progress toward truth, we need to focus on what goes on in the human reception of a purported revelation rather than on what happens on the purportedly Divine side. Given that the best known forms of purported revelation (i.e., sacred texts like the Bible or the Koran) are frightfully ambiguous – I’m inclined to say considerably more ambiguous than much empirical or rational data – moving from an act of revelation by God to amending our human ledger of truth is very dicey business. But it’s precisely in conducting that business that RBR can best be compared with philosophy or the sciences.

    Second, I want to emphasize that the statement (original and altered) is in response specifically and only to the idea that science has some marked advantage over either philosophy or RBR in yielding (establishing, demonstrating, proving, settling questions of) truth in a way that *merits* the kind of consensus that’s normal for (normal!) science but not for these other fields. There may be other ways in which science is epistemically superior to philosophy or religion, but it is not superior in possessing some presumed power to lay bare the truth by the observational/experimental method. The idea that *science itself* regularly succeeds in generating consensus on the basis of its superior truth-demonstrating power is just an illusion.

    Finally, I’ll point us back to the main theme of this thread by noting that philosophy’s power to dispel this sort of illusion – by doing the very things others have mentioned in earlier posts, such as performing the “intellectual hygiene” of clarifying the meanings of one’s claims and their entailments, making careful distinctions, etc. – is, I think, a demonstration of its value.

  35. Great, that's very clear. Thanks again for taking the time.

    Best.

  36. From an applied ethicists perspective, i fully agree. To "develop reasonably coherent ethical systems that sane and humane people could live with" is probably the best you can arrive at, when doing ethics is your job, and you want to retain any chance to guide some actions by others.

    From a metaethicists point of view, such coherentism achieves agreement by being vague, i.e. insufficient. E.g. you can justify almost anything with the principle of liberty. The process of justification and the underlying concepts are not strict enough. Yet, any stricter theory inevitably falls over Hans Alberts trinity of dogmatism, circularity or infinite regress.

    Yet, i am puzzled by your remarks about critical theory. While Habermas seems to me like another version of coherentism, there is no way you could bring negative dialectics in agreement with any positive ethical theory.

    But you can find for every ethical theory (or political ideology) the point where it breaks, becomes irrational; even for single actions or attempts at justification. In the words of Adorno:" Rational erkennbar ist, wo die losgelassene, sich selbst entlaufende Rationalität falsch wird, wahrhaft zu Mythologie." Because it is possible to know what is wrong, but not what is right, i favour critical theory from a meta-ethical perspective.

    It seems therefore as if sophisticated disagreement is the only way how philosophy could ever progress. Sadly, this often appears as if it were quarrelsome sophistry (or vice versa).

    —–
    KEYWORDS:
    Primary Blog

Designed with WordPress