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Ruse on Setiya on Kitcher (with Leiter’s commentary)

Philosopher Kieran Setiya wrote a fairly critical review of Philip Kitcher's recent book, What's the Use of Philosophy.  A few excerpts:

What Kitcher finds in philosophy today is arid technicality, produced for an audience of insiders. He complains about the fetish for clarity and the needless use of formalism; he objects to a methodology that splices intuitions about fanciful cases with assertions of a priori knowledge (‘sprinkling fairy dust’); he accuses philosophers of not knowing enough about the sciences that pertain to their work and of failing to question whether their projects are worthwhile. What he wants is a philosophy of use to scientists, or which can be applied to social problems. He also wants new synthetic visions, ways of seeing the world that bring together different disciplines with an eye to human flourishing.

Scientists are useful people, but there is more to philosophy than being useful to science or solving "social problems," although I do think philosophy could do a lot more of the former, and has done almost none of the latter.   Genuine philosophers are legislators of value, as one 19th-century German observed (Kant and Hegel were not genuine philosophers on this view, merely "philosophical laborers" who "pressed into formulas" existing values:  see Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, section 211).  Perhaps that latter conception of philosophy falls under Kitcher's idea of producing "ways of seeing the world…with an eye to human flourishing."  Setiya continues:

Kitcher pleads for a ‘reconstruction in philosophy.' 

That's a Deweyan phrase (a title of a 1920 book of his), and Kitcher was the John Dewey Professor of Philosophy at Columbia University for many years before his retirement.   His is one of the few cases of a philosopher (who, as Setiya notes, spent 20+ years making major, technical contributions to philosophy of science, biology and mathematics) whose views appear to have evolved in the direction of the namesake of his chair!  Setiya continues:

But is his representation accurate? Doubts creep in as early as the second page of the preface: ‘Once,’ he claims, ‘philosophers were avidly read by excited members of the public.’ He doesn’t tell us when, but it can’t have been when Socrates, who wrote nothing, was prosecuted for impiety, or when Spinoza was excommunicated, or when David Hume’s Treatise of Human Nature ‘fell dead-born from the press’. Kitcher’s ‘growing conviction that contemporary Anglophone philosophy has lost its audience’ suggests that he is thinking instead of the recent past. ‘Indeed, as I look back to the 1970s and early 1980s,’ he writes, ‘it seems to me that the divergence of “core philosophy” from issues of broader concern was less pronounced. Professional Anglophone philosophy then was closer to other academic disciplines. It was easier to love.’ That isn’t the way things looked to attentive outsiders. At a time when the other humanities were being transformed by feminism and postcolonial studies, philosophy was by and large an isolated, inward-looking discipline. Kitcher seems to be conjuring a time that never was.

This criticism seems to me mostly right, with one significant caveat:  there was a lot of philosophy in the 1970s and 1980s that was read by linguists, psychologists, and even sometimes biologists (including Kitcher himself!).   That does seem to be less true now.  Dewey, of course, was very much a "public" philosopher, but whether he was a good one is another question:  like Rorty, he seems to me to have mostly been a fairly predictable bourgeois liberal.   Setiya continues:

Maybe that doesn’t matter if he is right about the present. It’s true that academic philosophy is in a state of some confusion. One would struggle to say what unifies the array of topics and methodologies that philosophers explore. This isn’t regrettable in itself: philosophy is the refuge of questions that we don’t know how to answer, and eclecticism is an apt response.

Maybe, or maybe "eclecticism" simply confirms Kitcher's diagnosis about the disarray and trivia of the discipline?  Setiya continues:

In my own department at MIT, PhD theses have recently been submitted on sexual consent, values in science, the ethics of killing, the nature of language and the metaphysics of events. The methodology might be feminist, interdisciplinary, a priori, a combination of all three or something else altogether. The most recent dissertation in epistemology, a subfield for which MIT is well known, was a formal model of uncertainty about evidence, using tools from probability theory.

This sample provides a fair picture of what philosophers are up to these days. It is necessarily partial, since it omits the history of philosophy, which gives increased attention to neglected figures.

That's a remarkable understatement.  MIT is surely the most narrow "top ten" department that is also excellent in the "core" areas of contemporary analytic philosophy that are Kitcher's target.  Setiya allows:

There is some evidence of the ‘pathologies’ Kitcher cites: needless technicality, neglect of the sciences, the inertia of degenerating research programmes. But this is just to say that the pursuit of philosophy, like every discipline, is imperfect. Kitcher’s diagnosis is more pointed: he believes the pathologies have a common source: ‘Philosophy’s central task is seen as one of providing analyses of concepts, analyses exact enough to make the concept completely clear.’ Conceptual analysts try to explicate a concept – ‘knowledge’, ‘reason’, ‘person’ – in a way that settles its application in every possible case. Since this project is both useless and hopeless, Kitcher concludes that the work of most philosophers is too.

If Kitcher were right, we would have to either pull the plug on philosophy or administer CPR. But his account of the discipline is anachronistic. Conceptual analysis may have been central to analytic philosophy in the mid-20th century, and there are doubtless still a few diehards. But, at least since Kripke, most philosophers have turned away from the analysis of concepts and towards the metaphysical investigation of things themselves: their subject isn’t words or what they mean, but the world they represent. Contemporary philosophers of mind, for instance, investigate the nature of consciousness and its relation to physics, not the meaning of the word ‘conscious’. Conceptual distinctions help to clarify their questions, but don’t answer them; to make distinctions is not, in any case, to aim for perfect clarity.

Philosophers may present themselves as interested not in "concepts" but "the world," but their method is still heavily reliant on the same devices of their predecessors:   armchair appeals to intuitions.  Or as philosopher Daniel Drucker at UT Austin put a related point on Twitter:  "Huge, huge amounts of philosophy still involve investigating what various claims amount to, etc. And it's not all explication; counterexamples are taken seriously as though the notions being clarified are ordinary."   Setiya, in any case, concludes with his most provocative claim:

My principal objection to Kitcher’s critique, though, isn’t that he is wrong about the history or sociology of the discipline, but that there is something philistine in his demand that philosophy always answer to practical needs. Kitcher is inspired here by the pragmatist John Dewey, whom he calls ‘the most important philosopher of the 20th century’. (I suspect that Kitcher’s nostalgia for philosophers as public intellectuals is largely for Dewey himself, a singular figure in the history of American philosophy.) Dewey ‘claimed that intellectual work should conform to a social division of labour, in which the inquiries conducted should serve others outside the tiny coterie of those who undertake them’. To the charge of philistinism, Dewey and Kitcher would reply that philosophy, for them, involves more than applied ethics and contributions to active science, valuable as those are. They want a synthetic philosophy that provides ‘world-formulas’ – questions, concepts, analogies, ideals – that help us take a wider view of human life.

What they don’t want is philosophy without practical worth, the philosophical equivalent of pure science. Kitcher begins his book with an allegory in which musicians begin to concentrate on technical proficiency for its own sake: ‘Compared to the recent competition in which one pianist had delivered Multi-Scale 937 in under 7’10” and another had ornamented Quadruple Tremolo 41 with an extra trill,’ they reassure themselves, ‘an applauded performance of the Hammerklavier was truly small potatoes.’ What Kitcher takes to be the relevance of this ‘sorry tale’ to the current state of philosophy is clear enough. Yet it seems to me that the value of music doesn’t lie in its power to satisfy non-musical needs: it is valuable in itself. And the same is true of pure philosophy. It satisfies a need, but that need is philosophical and issues from a curiosity about fundamental questions that the natural and social sciences cannot answer. Pure philosophy isn’t for everyone, but neither is Philip Glass, and some will be intrigued by the titles Multi-Scale 937 and Quadruple Tremolo 41 – compositions I would love to hear. It’s a mistake to demand that music be of use to those who are indifferent to it.

Enter philosopher of biology Michael Ruse, who invited me to share the letter he sent to the editor of LRB:

Kiera Setiya’s review of Philip Kitcher’s What’s the Use of Philosophy? – asking academic philosophers to lighten up a bit — complains that there is “something philistine in his demand that philosophy always answer to practical needs.”  One wonders where this reviewer has been for the past fifty years.  Academic philosophy has become ever-more technical, inwardly turned, speaking only to a small group of like-minded specialists.  Someone like John Stuart Mill, who wrote openly for a more general public, would have trouble today getting tenure. 

Which fact gives the clue to the reason why philosophy in the past decades has gone the way it has.  Too many people chasing too few tenured jobs.  A new entrant simply dare not write for a more popular audience. The chair of the philosophy department of a major university had an ordered list of the “top journals” pinned to his door.  Woe betides the young tenure-track professor who ignored this.  As the author, says he proudly, of an article on science and religion in Playboy, I know what I would not be doing next year.  The fatal words would have been spoken: NOT REAL PHILOSOPHY.

Thank goodness established, respected, senior philosophers like Philip Kitcher are taking note of this and trying to steer us into more fruitful channels.  The review of his book in the LRB shows that they have their work cut out.

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13 responses to “Ruse on Setiya on Kitcher (with Leiter’s commentary)”

  1. "Someone like John Stuart Mill, who wrote openly for a more general public, would have trouble today getting tenure."

    I always wonder what the value of claims like this is supposed to be. Of course few if any people working before the 20th century had a publication record of the sort that would fit easily with a 20th century philosophy department. (Maybe Sidgwick was the first person to have publication record that looks a lot like a "modern" philosopher.) But Mill also wrote A _A System of Logic, Ratiocinative and Inductive_, a book that's hardly a popular text and was used in universities for some time, and engaged in academic disputes with William Whewell and others. I think it's plausible enough that Mill's more popular writings would have been less widely received if he'd not already made a name for himself with this book, and his writings on economics. It's easy enough to imagine him doing very well in a modern philosophy department if that was an option open to him and where he wanted to work – but that's no really an option at his time. So what does it show? Nothing very obvious, I think. I think my sympathies are probably closer to Kitcher's than Setiya's but I really don't understand what we're supposed to take away from claims like the one made by Ruse above. What is it thought that they show? It seems like saying that Spinoza would have a hard time getting tenure today, given that he didn't even go to college. That's right, but so what?

  2. A “meta” comment:

    I think this one of those issues that polarize philosophers, in a way that reflects badly on us. Many of us will, when offering our opinion on the issue, reply with something that has the vibe “Well, it’s obvious that P”, while others in our profession will express the opposite vibe “Well, it’s obvious that not-P”. Few of us will respond with “Hmm. I really don’t know. On the one hand, it seems that P–but then again …. Jeez. I’m not sure about this; it’s more complicated than I thought”.

    We go through this over and over again. We went through it a decade or so ago with debates about the usefulness of the Leiter Report. We went through it with the Analytic/Continental split. We are going through it now with both trans issues and DEI issues. My side implicitly says the other side is not wholly but largely made up of fools, ignorant folk, and villains. The other side says the same about my side.

    I got a paper accepted at a philosophy of religion journal today. I explicitly wrote in the paper that I wouldn’t be sharing my own views on the problem I was writing about, since I figured that the topic (problem of evil) often (not always of course) activates unreasonable responses on both sides. There’s too much nastiness, and much of it strikes me as juvenile, as if philosophers have the mindsets of highly intelligent but immature undergraduates. Yeah, I’m old.

  3. Setiya's review strikes me as right on the money.

    Although Ruse is correct that younger philosophers face intense pressure to publish in the top journals, I think he is mistaken that philosophy has become "inwardly turned" and that "A new entrant simply dare not write for more popular audience." It may be true, as Brian suggests, that there are fewer academics from other fields that are reading philosophy nowadays, and it may also be true that much of the philosophy published in the journals has become increasingly narrow and specialized (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). Still, in recent years there has been an explosion of public-facing philosophy of various kinds (popular books and articles, you-tube interviews, podcasts, etc.), and many of those engaged in it are younger philosophers (who often list such work on their CVs). So, while those hoping to get jobs (especially jobs at R1s) shouldn't neglect publishing in the top journals, they needn't fear writing for more popular audiences or reaching out to those audiences in other ways.

  4. I confess I don't recognize what this "meta" comment is describing. In order to know what to think, people have to adduce their reasons. Some of the debates you mention were, indeed, juvenile and pointless, but the questions raised by Kitcher, and by Setiya, and Ruse, are not. So no more "meta" comments, back to the substance!

  5. Max Khan Hayward

    There is surely some irony in accusing Philip Kitcher, who has written books on opera, literature, mathematics, biology, ethics, the politics of science, and religion, of *philistinism*!

  6. To my mind, the best (brief) thing that has been written about this general set of issues is Bernard Williams' essay 'On Hating and Despising Philosophy'. Amusingly enough, this first appeared itself in the LRB, over 25 years ago: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v18/n08/bernard-williams/on-hating-and-despising-philosophy. (Reprinted in his Essays and Reviews https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/9781400848393-069/html )

    One of William's central points is that even when philosophy is concerned with obviously big and important questions (e.g. moral and political ones), there is an inevitable pull towards the less obvious, the more complex, and the more technical; and that this has been with us since Plato.

    He starts: "As long as there has been such a subject as philosophy, there have been people who hated and despised it…philosophy gets no answers, or no answers to any question that any grown-up person would worry about, or no answer which would be worth worrying about, even if the question were. The complaint is, basically, that philosophy is useless: either intrinsically useless, or useless in the form in which it is usually done, a professional or academic form."

    He concludes: "If there could be what serious philosophers dream of, a philosophy at once thoroughly truthful and honestly helpful, it would still be hard, unaccommodating and unobvious. For those reasons, it would doubtless be disliked by those who dislike philosophy as it is. But it might, more encouragingly, succeed in recruiting some new enemies as well, who would do it the credit of hating it for what it said and not just for what it was."

    But there is much more besides in the essay (including about the relations between philosophy and science, and about scientism (in style and content))- I highly recommend it!

  7. Besides plugging Williams' 'On Hating and Despising Philosophy', on my own part I would wish to demur gently from the contrast Setiya seeks to emphasise here: "Most philosophers have turned away from the analysis of concepts and towards the metaphysical investigation of things themselves: their subject isn’t words or what they mean, but the world they represent". Specifically, I don't think this suggested contrast is a good way of capturing the historical changes in philosophical activity from the last quarter of the C20th onwards.

    Thinking of the post-WWII Oxford philosophers, and of the later Wittgenstein, for example, I don't think many (or perhaps any?) of them could usefully be described as being concerned with the meanings of words in a way which precludes their thereby being concerned with how the world is. Paraphrasing Austin, the point (or part of the point) of trying to be precise about the meaning of words (or, in more Strawsonian vein, to come to a better understanding of certain of our concepts and of the interrelations between them) is to become clearer about how the world is (or at least, to become clearer how certain important aspects of the world are). The focus on meaning can be seen as, harmlessly, proceeding in the formal mode, as opposed to the material mode, in Carnap's terms; and as Quine would emphasise, we can readily flip between the two by semantic ascent and descent.

    No doubt there are various meta-semantic views implicit in being relaxed in this way about the significance of shifting between talking about the meaning of words and talking about the world, but then it is perhaps shifts in what the default meta-semantic views are which are the real interesting changes. (N.B. there's a separate question about which words, or which concepts, one might be interested in; there's nothing intrinsic to a focus on the meaning of words and concepts which precludes examining the latest scientific concepts for example. In 'ordinary language' philosophy, the contrast of 'ordinary' is supposed to be with 'extraordinary', not 'technical', it is worth noting.)

  8. John Schwenkler

    Brian, you write:

    "… there was a lot of philosophy in the 1970s and 1980s that was read by linguists, psychologists, and even sometimes biologists (including Kitcher himself!). That does seem to be less true now."

    I can't speak to the situation in biology, but with linguistics and psychology this contrast seems to me not to hold up. There is a ton of exchange between contemporary linguists and philosophers of language, and likewise for those working in empirical moral psychology, the psychology of concepts, x-phi adjacent work in cognitive psychology, experimental work on perception and consciousness, and so on. To the extent that today's linguists and cognitive scientists have less engagement with philosophy than those of the past, this might rather reflect the transformation of those disciplines into full-blown sciences with their own forms of insularity and hyper-specialization, plus the tendency not to question their own foundations. It's not the fault of today's philosophers.

  9. One piece of evidence that supports Kitcher is the fact that something similar has happened in the sciences in recent years — the culture and practices of the sciences have created incentives that draw people away from innovation, and thus lead to stagnation. The fact that something so similar has happened in the sciences is some reason to think that Kitcher is at least partly right.

    https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w26752/w26752.pdf

  10. This discussion inspired a blog post of my own. Kitcher and Setiya disagree over the extent to which philosophy has moved away from conceptual analysis and in the direction of a socially-beneficial metaphysics. But they both agree that such a move is a good thing. I disagree. The essential catastrophe for contemporary philosophy is the fact that Kripke made metaphysics respectable again.

    https://humeanbeing.substack.com/p/what-kripke-didnt-show

  11. Siddharth Muthukrishnan

    It might be worth looking at the ways in which another abstract and aprioristic discipline—pure mathematics—evaluates whether the enterprise is going well or is turning into navel-gazing. Von Neumann gave a nice analysis:

    "As a mathematical discipline travels far from its empirical source, or still more, if it is a second and third generation only indirectly inspired by ideas coming from "reality" it is beset with very grave dangers. It becomes more and more purely aestheticizing, more and more purely l'art pour l'art. This need not be bad, if the field is surrounded by correlated subjects, which still have closer empirical connections, or if the discipline is under the influence of men with an exceptionally well-developed taste. But there is a grave danger that the subject will develop along the line of least resistance, that the stream, so far from its source, will separate into a multitude of insignificant branches, and that the discipline will become a disorganized mass of details and complexities. In other words, at a great distance from its empirical source, or after much "abstract" inbreeding, a mathematical subject is in danger of degeneration. At the inception the style is usually classical; when it shows signs of becoming baroque, then the danger signal is up. It would be easy to give examples, to trace specific evolutions into the baroque and the very high baroque, but this, again, would be too technical." ('The Mathematician', 1947)

    First thing to note is that Von Neumann's criteria are quite similar to Kitcher's. So this supplies some independent evidence that Kitcher is looking at the right things. But it also helps (at least to me) clarify what the concerns are more about.

    (1) Take the question of to what extent philosophy is constrained and disciplined by, as Von Neumann puts it, "correlated subjects", which for philosophy would be science, mathematics, politics, art, and others. The point that's relevant here, I think, is not, as Setiya seems to suggest, that one is asking for every aspect of philosophy to have 'philistine' pragmatic value. Rather its that when a discipline is far from empirical or practical matters, then there is, as vN says, "a grave danger that the subject will develop along the line of least resistance" and lead to "much "abstract" inbreeding". So I think the goal here isn't to insist that philosophy must overwhelmingly be about these closer-to-ground topics, but to ask that at least at some remove philosophy be constrained by and contribute to them.

    Incidentally, this connection with correlated (sub)disciplines, is one of the reasons why, I think, despite the lack of direct empirical support, modern theoretical high energy physics is still accepted, and even sometimes respected and admired, by the broader physics community. Questions raised and methods developed by theoretical high-energy physicists have resulted in genuinely fresh ideas in quantum computing, condensed matter physics, and mathematics more broadly. (Obviously, none of that is supposed to replace the ultimate importance of experimental evidence in evaluating physical theories. My only point here is that such criteria are used in other places.)

    (2) Take also the question of to what extent is the style of philosophy worryingly "baroque" as vN puts it. This is precisely Kitcher's point in his analogy with music. He worries philosophy is too much like "a disorganized mass of details and complexities". I think Setiya slightly misses the point of this critique. When a system becomes worryingly baroque, it may still be the case that any individual piece (such as Multi-Scale 937 and Quadruple Tremolo 41) is quite interesting, especially to an insider (as Setiya is). The vN/Kitcher point here, I think, is that the broader pattern is what's worrying, wherein the baroque is what almost everyone is doing or has to do.

  12. Ludovic Marsillach

    Haven't read anything by Kitcher, but his description of a time when ‘philosophers were avidly read by excited members of the public’ might be applicable to certain types of largely political philosophy, usually during periods leading up to "radicalization": pre-Revolutionary France, within the 1848 Revolutions period, extending and bifurcating throughout the late 19th and 20th centuries, namely as socialism and communism, on the one hand, and Fascist nationalism-cum-imperialism, on the other.

    I mean its pretty clear that millions of people within the bourgeoisie read directly from Marx, albeit if only The Communist Manifesto. Moreover, it seems plainly clear that the educated politically conscious working class also came into direct contact with analyses of capitalism and socialism, beginning in the late 19th century and extending into the late 20th century.

    The erstwhile much vaunted "End of History" might as well have been subtitled the "End of the Mass Reading of Marx," if by mass one means within the bourgeoisie.

  13. Kieran Setiya says that his “principal objection to Kitcher’s critique… [is] that there is something philistine in his demand that philosophy always answer to practical needs.” Obviously if this is read as suggesting that philosophy has to deliver a “product” to a “market” of some kind then Kitcher’s “pragmatic” concerns would be shallow (or “philistine”). But I don’t think that this is what Kitcher is suggesting.

    Surely Kitcher’s main concern is about the way in which the “profession” of philosophy has been shaped in recent decades by our existing academic institutions, organizations and structures. The practice of philosophy, and what we (professional philosophers) value and pay attention to, has been increasingly distorted and corrupted by the needs and priorities of “the profession”. In particular, the career pursuits of securing a job, moving to a better (i.e. “highly ranked”) department, getting promoted, getting recognition in the form of awards, honours, etc., etc., is now what pushes the subject in the (narrow and dull) directions that it is taking. I would agree with Setiya that these dynamics are far from recent but I would also agree with Kitcher that they are increasingly pronounced and problematic.

    All of this is making the subject not only increasingly irrelevant and boring for those who are not “inside the profession”, it also makes it increasingly unpleasant and distasteful for those who are already there and have no other way out (… apart from retirement and/or death). While there remain, of course, many philosophers whose work avoids these faults – and I would include Kitcher among them – it is hard to deny that philosophers arriving in “the profession” at this time are under enormous pressure to conform to the needs and requirements of “professional” advancement and security, rather than to be guided by some deeper sense of what really matters or is worth doing.

    Philosophy is not like chess. It does – or should – aim at something deeper and more significant. Philosophy can – or should – be much more than this. As Bernard Williams has suggested, in his own writings criticizing the state of contemporary philosophy (more than two decades ago), philosophy should at a minimum have the aim of making sense of human life and our predicament in the world. In this sense, philosophy has a deeper purpose which serves as the spine of the subject, despite the variety of topics and issues that it addresses.

    I wouldn’t describe this as philosophy making itself ”useful” but I would say that a view of the subject that treats it as akin to a chess club for “clever” people is likely to strip the subject of whatever integrity and seriousness it might aspire to. If that is what Kitcher is driving at, then I am in full agreement with his general diagnosis of the current state of the subject/profession.

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