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Was There Really a UK Terror Plot? (Leiter)

MOVING TO THE FRONT from Aug. 16:  see Update.

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A former British Ambassador is skeptical:

I have been reading very carefully through all the Sunday newspapers to
try and analyse the truth from all the scores of pages claiming to
detail the so-called bomb plot. Unlike the great herd of so-called
security experts doing the media analysis, I have the advantage of
having had the very highest security clearances myself, having done a
huge amount of professional intelligence analysis, and having been
inside the spin machine.

So this, I believe, is the true story.

None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane
ticket. Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of
the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn’t be a plane bomber for
quite some time.

In the absence of bombs and airline tickets, and in many cases
passports, it could be pretty difficult to convince a jury beyond
reasonable doubt that individuals intended to go through with suicide
bombings, whatever rash stuff they may have bragged in internet chat
rooms.

What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for
over a year – like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just
Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need
for early arrests.

Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed the details of this amazing
plot to blow up multiple planes – which, rather extraordinarily, had
not turned up in a year of surveillance. Of course, the interrogators
of the Pakistani dictator have their ways of making people sing like
canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most
extraordinary information this way. Trouble is it always tends to give
the interrogators all they might want, and more, in a desperate effort
to stop or avert torture. What it doesn’t give is the truth.

The gentleman being "interrogated" had fled the UK after being wanted
for questioning over the murder of his uncle some years ago. That might
be felt to cast some doubt on his reliability. It might also be felt
that factors other than political ones might be at play within these
relationships. Much is also being made of large transfers of money
outside the formal economy. Not in fact too unusual in the British
Muslim community, but if this activity is criminal, there are many
possibilities that have nothing to do with terrorism.

We then have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing
the possible arrests over the weekend. Why? I think the answer to that
is plain. Both in desperate domestic political trouble, they longed for
"Another 9/11". The intelligence from Pakistan, however dodgy, gave
them a new 9/11 they could sell to the media. The media has bought,
wholesale, all the rubbish they have been shovelled.

Comments are open for anyone who has more information that bears on the doubts raised here.  No anonymous postings.  As I am rather busy the next couple of days, comments that may take awhile to be approved.  Please be patient and post only once.

UPDATE:  This story from today’s New York Times suggests Mr. Murray’s skepticism was not entirely off the mark (it may yet turn out not to be off the mark at all):

Warning that Britain faced a “deadly” and “enduring” threat from
terrorism, British authorities announced today that 11 of 23 people
held in connection with a suspected plot to blow up America-bound
planes would be formally charged with offenses that included planning
to bomb the airliners and conspiracy to commit murder….

 

The decision to press formal charges came after days of growing
public skepticism about the extent of the plot that the authorities
announced on Aug. 10. At the time, the police warned that the purported
conspirators had planned to commit mass murder on what one officer
called an “unimaginable scale.”

On that day, the police rounded up most of the suspects in early
morning raids, saying they had thwarted a plot to use liquid explosives
to bomb airliners flying to the United States from London. At that
time, investigators said that up to 10 airplanes might have been
attacked.

Ms Hemming [the British prosecutor] said eight of the 11 suspects charged today were accused
of conspiracy to commit murder and an offense under new
counterterrorism laws of “preparing acts of terrorism.” The charges
accused them of planning “to smuggle the component parts of improvised
explosive devices onto aircraft and assemble and detonate them on
board.”

The three other suspects were charged with lesser offenses under counterterrorism legislation dating to 2000, Ms Hemming said.

The nature of the charges raised new speculation about the scope of
the plot, possibly suggesting that it was more limited than indicated
by the sweep of the first arrests. Ms Hemming said the authorities had
not yet decided whether to seek the further detention of the 11 other
suspects still held without charge.

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7 responses to “Was There Really a UK Terror Plot? (Leiter)”

  1. Whatever the merits or demerits of Craig Murray's speculations, I do think they are symptomatic of something the British government ought to take very seriously. The government likes to continually remind us of the dangers associated with Muslims feeling 'disaffected' in British society. But the sort of skepticism voiced by Murray is not only commonplace among Muslims; many Briton in general have voiced skepticism recently. And why not: blatant lies regarding WMD preceding the Iraq war, shady excuses and moves to pre-empt investigations of the shooting of de Menezes in the London Tube, misinformation about the so-called 'ricin plot', the botched raid in Forest Gate, etc. If people get it into their minds that this government has cried wolf one time too many, it will spell real trouble ahead.

  2. Prof. Leiter,

    I have no new information; that’s what I come to your site for. But I hope you will allow me to add that Murray's analysis lends credence to the view that the so called terrorist threat amounts to nothing more than bin Laden, al Zawahiri, and several hundred other like-minded lunatics who pose a significant problem for law enforcement agencies but not the military. Further, one wonders why these degenerates were not apprehended when they were cornered in Tora Bora. Did asshole simply go wobbly when it came time to make good on his tough talk or is something sinister to blame? Were they allowed to remain at large so as to make possible the fear mongering that has kept the American public docile during the Iraq misadventure?

  3. I can't speak directly to the merits of Mr. Murray's assement, but after reading it I did have this thought:

    Suppose, contra Murray, this was a genuine and pressing threat. Why are Bush and company talking about it so publically? They claim elsewhere that to even discuss the allowable methods of intelligence gathering is too dangerous. Yet here they are discussing and publicizing (admitedly limited) details of what must be (if the threat is of the magnitude claimed) an ongoing operation.

    Unless I'm missing something, it appears that either:
    A) This wasn't a serious threat, but it is merely being played up for cynical political gain.
    B) This was a real threat and the investigation into it is being compromised for cynical political gain.

    If these are the alternatives, then Mr. Murray's position is actually the more charitible view of Bush, et al.

  4. "Many did not even have passports, which given the efficiency of the UK Passport Agency would mean they couldn't be a plane bomber for quite some time."

    Whatever the merits of Mr Murray's other arguments, he doesn't bolster his credibility with this sort of point. I had my passport renewed in under two weeks recently, and my partner got hers in three hours by attending the passport office in person.

  5. I'm not entirely sure why we'd expect alleged terrorists to buy their plane tickets well in advance. Are they keen to save a few quid on a multiple suicide mission? You would have thought a well thought attack might be truly unexpected and out of the blue. In the morning, they could have received their passports and then bought transatlantic tickets in the airport. It would be the kind of operation (if left unknown) you couldn't prepare for too far in advance as, well, there would no record of these folks jumping onto planes…and no reason to be suspicious. One would think that for maximum impact they would want to avoid suspicion (a tactic shared by the 9/11 bombers and 7/7 plot) and strike out of the blue. Unless those arrested lacked the money and the clear premeditated intent, I am open to this being a genuine plot. Of course, I'm not certain, but I remain to be persuaded otherwise.

  6. The British media are reporting (via junior police sources) the discovery of several matrydom tapes on the hard drives of some of those arrested. It would be absurd to release this information in the absence of such tapes, and it is absurd to suggest that they might have been faked. Craig Murray has allowed his reasonable distrust of the foreign office following his treatment in Uzbekistan to generalise into conspiracy theories.

  7. Whether the terrorist plot in Britain was indeed real or not, we may never find out. Or if we do, it will be after the US elections in November.

    But that it has made many Britons jumpy, is beyond doubt.
    Please see here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=401419&in_page_id=1770

    BBC News and several other UK news outlets have also carried the story. The reason I selected the Daily Mail link specifically, is because it includes a Tory MP's swift reaction to the event which is not to be found in any of the other reports. Most of them have printed the reaction of a British Muslim spokesperson.

    Here is what the MP said:

    … "Patrick Mercer, the Tory Homeland Security spokesman, said last night:

    "This is a victory for terrorists. These people on the flight have been terrorised into behaving irrationally.

    "For those unfortunate two men to be victimised because of the colour of their skin is just nonsense."

    Can you imagine our own right wing politicians being quite so level headed, immediately after the event AND so soon after a high profile terrorist threat?

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